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Battlestar Galactica Classic For discussions about the classic Battlestar series which starred Dirk as the one and only "Starbuck". NO Ron Moore show posts here please.

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Old 08-31-2017, 10:28 AM   #1
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Default Finding Earth...

Herein lies the dumbest question you've probably ever heard regarding the BSG saga...

*Why* do they have to find earth?

I mean, other than the historical significance of earth, why must they go on this long and dangerous quest through Cylon territories just to get to a planet which may or may not exist and meet people who may or may not have become extinct hundreds of yahrens ago?

I am by no means a BSG expert... hence the question...

And another thing: why does the entire FLEET have to find earth? They keep passing over these perfectly inhabitable planets (well, not a lot of nice ones, but the one in "The Lost Warrior" comes to mind). So, they're dragging behind them all these slow ships and barges with the sad remains of their civilization when they could just as easily park all the civilian ships on a planet and let them colonize it while they go on this expedition. For one thing, splitting up gives them a better chance of keeping their race alive. It also limits the liability of getting into wars with the Cylons, allows the Galactica to move faster, strategically maneuver itself without fear of exposing the other ships, and leave a smaller radar footprint.

I mean, they could hang on to the Rising Star, for Starbuck's sake. Or just build a little casino by the officer's lounge...

Thoughts?
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Old 08-31-2017, 12:35 PM   #2
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Default Re: Finding Earth...

You know as a kid I always wondered about that too and even now as an adult I still don't have an answer to that question ...

I think it's supposed to be some sort of promised land by the Lords of Kobol. But why risk the entire fleet to go out and look for Earth? Why not let Blue Squadron go out on a mission to find the planet? Starbuck would have been able to charm his way through the galaxy and find what they were looking for That's if he was allowed to play a couple of games of Pyramid every now and then and get some attention from the ladies
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Old 08-31-2017, 05:04 PM   #3
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Herein lies the dumbest question you've probably ever heard regarding the BSG saga...

*Why* do they have to find earth?

I mean, other than the historical significance of earth, why must they go on this long and dangerous quest through Cylon territories just to get to a planet which may or may not exist and meet people who may or may not have become extinct hundreds of yahrens ago?

I am by no means a BSG expert... hence the question...

And another thing: why does the entire FLEET have to find earth? They keep passing over these perfectly inhabitable planets (well, not a lot of nice ones, but the one in "The Lost Warrior" comes to mind). So, they're dragging behind them all these slow ships and barges with the sad remains of their civilization when they could just as easily park all the civilian ships on a planet and let them colonize it while they go on this expedition. For one thing, splitting up gives them a better chance of keeping their race alive. It also limits the liability of getting into wars with the Cylons, allows the Galactica to move faster, strategically maneuver itself without fear of exposing the other ships, and leave a smaller radar footprint.

I mean, they could hang on to the Rising Star, for Starbuck's sake. Or just build a little casino by the officer's lounge...

Thoughts?
I'm not a BSG expert either. I think it has to do with finding family -the thirteenth tribe. But they don't known how many planets the thirteenth tribe inhabited. I think they could have found a habitable planet, settled down, and been happy. Yes, they were fighting Cylons along the way, but what other evil forces would they encounter by continuing their journey?

I see your point. Yes, they could keep the Rising Star for Starbuck. Don't forget the Triad courts. He likes to work off frustration by playing Triad.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:33 PM   #4
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This is an excellent question, and I've wondered the same thing.

My mind immediately goes to a conversation in the episode "Greetings from Earth, Part I:"(which I am now checking to transcribe because otherwise it will bug me)

BOOMER: Now, here on this ship, for the first time, we've actually found human life forms from a technologically advanced civilization [i.e., possibly from Earth, as they were previously discussing]. That's what the whole point of the voyage has been.

STARBUCK: Boomer's right. That's why we've risked our lives staying on this tin can instead of stopping at one of the planets we've passed that could've supported life.

APOLLO: It is not why we haven't stopped. We've never stopped because we've never been strong enough to stop anyplace else. We've been a hunted people.

STARBUCK: Hmm, no, not for some time. Hey, look, let's lighten it up a little bit.

[more conversation]

REESE: If anybody's interested in my vote, I'm with Starbuck. I say we go in there, open those boxes, and start interrogating those people. The lives of every one of us depend on what they know.


STARBUCK: Reese? Stay out of this, or I'll stick that mug down your throat.

[Conversation degenerates from there ]


So, from what I understand, the Colonists were on the move so they could evade the Cylons. They needed a destination that the Cylons hadn't already overrun, and nothing in the known galaxy was an option. So they headed for Earth, the location of the lost Thirteenth Tribe, in the hopes that the rest of the human race would be technologically advanced enough to mount defenses against the Cylons, or at least be far enough away to shelter the Colonists for a while and possibly aid them in their fight. Although there were times when it seemed like the Fleet had outrun the Cylons (as at this time), they could never be secure in this assumption, as shown when they stumbled upon a basestar in "The Hand of God." So they had to stay on the move.

As far as the ships question, most of the ships seemed to be essential either to house the numerous Colonists or to provide for their needs (e.g., Agro Ship, Textiles Ship, the Celestra). The Colonists had no idea how long their journey across the stars would last, so they needed a mobile version of every component involved in a thriving society, including entertainment industries which contributed to morale as well as the economic system of the Fleet - hence the Rising Star.

There's my take on the issue, for what it's worth. Writing fanfic means I have some practice coming up with logical explanations for illogical scenarios, continuity issues, etc.
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Thanks, guys!! I knew I could count on you.

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I think it has to do with finding family -the thirteenth tribe.
I think that supposition follows the general vibe of the show -- it's very much about family and moral values, sticking together, doing the right thing, finding stability and peace...

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Yes, they could keep the Rising Star for Starbuck. Don't forget the Triad courts. He likes to work off frustration by playing Triad.
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Starbuck would have been able to charm his way through the galaxy and find what they were looking for That's if he was allowed to play a couple of games of Pyramid every now and then and get some attention from the ladies
Oh, that's right... I forgot about Triad.

Hands-down my favorite costumes of any TV show, ever. LOL... And yes, it's the "entertainment" ship. We mustn't get rid of the Rising Star. Starbuck would be very upset.

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So, from what I understand, the Colonists were on the move so they could evade the Cylons. They needed a destination that the Cylons hadn't already overrun, and nothing in the known galaxy was an option. So they headed for Earth, the location of the lost Thirteenth Tribe, in the hopes that the rest of the human race would be technologically advanced enough to mount defenses against the Cylons, or at least be far enough away to shelter the Colonists for a while and possibly aid them in their fight. Although there were times when it seemed like the Fleet had outrun the Cylons (as at this time), they could never be secure in this assumption, as shown when they stumbled upon a basestar in "The Hand of God." So they had to stay on the move.
That's interesting... and it does make sense. So they had this blind faith that the people of Earth not only existed, and thrived, but were an *advanced* civilization that would essentially protect them from the Cylons, so they wouldn't live in fear. So, the Cylons weren't so much a necessary evil on their quest to find Earth, but rather the real reason they were looking for Earth to begin with, and they didn't think they could ever hide or live peaceably for any length of time without the Cylons coming to destroy them. Just for the sake of destroying them, apparently...

That's my other problem with the story... what do the Cylons really have to gain...?

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That's interesting... and it does make sense. So they had this blind faith that the people of Earth not only existed, and thrived, but were an *advanced* civilization that would essentially protect them from the Cylons, so they wouldn't live in fear. So, the Cylons weren't so much a necessary evil on their quest to find Earth, but rather the real reason they were looking for Earth to begin with, and they didn't think they could ever hide or live peaceably for any length of time without the Cylons coming to destroy them. Just for the sake of destroying them, apparently...

That's my other problem with the story... what do the Cylons really have to gain...?
Now I'm reminded of a conversation in "The Return of Starbuck" : (rough transcription from memory, probably a few mistakes)

CY: I was created that the Cylon Empire may grow, and organize the universe.

STARBUCK: Well, what are you going to do with it once it's organized?

*imaginary crickets*

STARBUCK: Hello? I didn't hear an answer. What are you going to do with the universe once you have it organized?

CY: I don't recall anyone ever asking that question.


The point being that the Cylons had one goal of organizing the universe, which is why they wanted to destroy all other life forms, which were presumably disorganized compared to the "superior" machine form. However, they didn't have a long term plan of what they would do once this had been accomplished. It was a classic example of short-sighted imperialism. And I think I read somewhere that the Cylons were modeled after the Russian Communist regime? They were programmed to conquer everything and fit it to their parameters, but they were merely machines without a higher morality or purpose, as Starbuck points out later ("How can you have an empire completely devoid of love?"). It was their physical might and large numbers that gave them power to wipe out a number of culturally superior civilizations across the galaxy.
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