To the cinema?

[sara]

Hi friends!! :D

We've spoken so much about the eventual A-Team Movie.

We've got many claims and most of us don't agree with this production.

Some of us will go and see what this movie is like to decide whether it's good or not.
Some other people will avoid it, as a protest, and because they aren't interested in watching how the A-Team can be spoiled.

And you? What would you like to do?? :wink:

Take care! :)

[ostarella]

I voted no just on how it's been described so far. If it "officially" changes then I might change my mind. :wink:

[sara]

Sure ostarella!
I voted like you, cause I could stand to watch such a "profanation"!... :roll:

Normally I try to experiment, to watch, to read before judging.. But in this case I feel I can't give a chance to such an exploitation of the A-Team name!! :wink:

[UKJules]

Hi Sara :D

No, I won't be going to watch it either....... :!: :!: You cannot make a movie out of such a classic TV show......It just wouldn't be the same :!: :!:

Take care

Jules x

[sara]

Thank you for your answer Jules,
I completely agree with you. I couldn't say it better!! :wink:

[Dawg]

I voted "Yes". But whether or not I actually go will be determined by what I hear of the finished product.

I don't expect any new A-Team to be perfect duplications. But I do expect them to have the same spirit as the original Team did. If that's missing - forget it.

I am
Dawg

[ani]

I voted yes for mainly the same kinda reasons as Dawg.

I know I can accept remakes if they are well done. I even liked "Lost in Space" so I know I can enjoya remake even if it's VASTLY different from it's source material.

It's gonna basically come down to ' does it look goo in the trailer'
Because thinking on it, keeping the original cast in now way mean the movie would be good.

For me, The X-FIles movie, for example, was one of my worst cinema experiences. I felt so cheated and let down by that movie, and it had all the same people as the TV show :roll: Where as the Fugitive was IMHO, brillant, and had next to none of the same people from the TV show involved.

So I'll be willing to give the A-Team movie the same chance I give any moives I think.
So if the trailer looks good, I'll go.

[ostarella]

Agreed. I would like to see Dirk taking over Hannibal's "position" (makes sense to me :lol: ) but while it would be nice to see them all in it, it wouldn't be the make or break issue. I loved the Charlie's Angels movie, and that was so totally different than the show :shock: It just depends on whether or not they stay with the "flavor" of the show or not.

[Tracy]

Personally, I have absolutely no desire to see the remake.
I think I'm just past the A-Team days in general.
I haven't even seen Earthstorm or Goldene Zeiten yet. :P

[Crazy Tommy T]

I'll go and see it, just so that I can bad mouth it. :lol:

[bibbi]

I vote NO. I want to remember the A-Team series as it SHOULD be.

[sara]

Hi friends! :D
First of all thank you for your votes and your replies.
It's interesting to see different opinions and positions...
I voted No exactly for the same reasons as Tracy and Anne..
any way I can understand it well if anybody wants to go and watch it in order to have a ral and concrete opinion about it... :roll:

But I'm so sorry I couldn't stand it!! :x :lol:

[Tracy]

I'll go and see it, just so that I can bad mouth it. :lol:

Ah...but what if you LIKE it?? :lol:

Alot of die hard original Battlestar fans said the same thing when the new series came out and ended up regular viewers. ;)

[sara]

Ah...but what if you LIKE it?? :lol:

Alot of die hard original Battlestar fans said the same thing when the new series came out and ended up regular viewers. ;)

Nooo.... Impossible!!!

[ostarella]

If they got rid of that stupid idea of Face being a traitor, and kept that "fun" interaction between the guys, I wouldn't totally ignore it ;-) I don't see any reason it can't be a "gritty film" and still keep that. But, as I've probably stated elsewhere, "Rambo-esque" movies bore me to tears, so if they don't make the guys "the guys" (whomever the actors), I see no point in going.

[bibbi]

If they got rid of that stupid idea of Face being a traitor, and kept that "fun" interaction between the guys, I wouldn't totally ignore it ;-) I don't see any reason it can't be a "gritty film" and still keep that. But, as I've probably stated elsewhere, "Rambo-esque" movies bore me to tears, so if they don't make the guys "the guys" (whomever the actors), I see no point in going.

I somewhat agree. But, I still think it's a bad idea to do a remake.

[sara]

ostarella's opinion is absolutely right..
But I would do as Anne.. I would never go.

A remake of the A-Team is like a remake of Leonardo's Mona Lisa!!!!! :D :D

[UKJules]

A remake of the A-Team is like a remake of Leonardo's Mona Lisa!!!!! :D :D

Well said Sara......I agree 100 %

[bibbi]

A remake of the A-Team is like a remake of Leonardo's Mona Lisa!!!!! :D :D

Well said! :D

[Flash]

As most others I have voted no. The way movies are made today it would most likely not be 'our' A-Team and I'd rather not watch it. I don't think the producers care much about the original, they only want a well known label to put on a new production so that they can sell it better. :mad:Okay, the 80s style will not work today and they have to alter it, even I accept that, but then they have created something new which should have a new name, too. It can be 'like the A-Team' but it can never be THE A-Team. Not for real fans. :(

Alot of die hard original Battlestar fans said the same thing when the new series came out and ended up regular viewers. ;)

Maybe, but I'm certainly not one of them, sorry. I made it through two eps with difficulties, because I was willing to give it a try, but I hated it. The whole 'feeling' was wrong, so angry and twisted and...oh, I don't think I have the right words in English to explain, but I didn't like it, not a bit.

A remake of the A-Team is like a remake of Leonardo's Mona Lisa!!!!! :D :D

You're so right, sara, like Jules and Anne I agree totally.

[Tracy]

I watched the first few episodes of the Scifi Channels' Galactica and I couldn't sit through any more of it. I hated it and what's more..not something you can sit down and watch with the kiddies :p

[ostarella]

I've watched a couple, and frankly, once you get past the BSG/Starbuck hype, it's just another dark, gloomy, roam-through-space show. yawn...

[bibbi]

I watched the first few episodes of the Scifi Channels' Galactica and I couldn't sit through any more of it. I hated it and what's more..not something you can sit down and watch with the kiddies :p

I 100% agree. I was watching some episodes of the original and "real" Battlestar Galactica series with some friends who had never watched any episodes. They LOVED it. :D I only watched one episode of the other series and absolutely hated it.:mad:
When they made the original BSG series they broke the mold. The same goes for the A-Team. Like I've said before why mess with perfection? :confused:

[bibbi]

As most others I have voted no. The way movies are made today it would most likely not be 'our' A-Team and I'd rather not watch it. I don't think the producers care much about the original, they only want a well known label to put on a new production so that they can sell it better. :mad:Okay, the 80s style will not work today and they have to alter it, even I accept that, but then they have created something new which should have a new name, too. It can be 'like the A-Team' but it can never be THE A-Team. Not for real fans. :(

Maybe, but I'm certainly not one of them, sorry. I made it through two eps with difficulties, because I was willing to give it a try, but I hated it. The whole 'feeling' was wrong, so angry and twisted and...oh, I don't think I have the right words in English to explain, but I didn't like it, not a bit.

You're so right, sara, like Jules and Anne I agree totally.

I agree with everything you've said. You made your point across beautifully! ;) :D
Sehr Gut Besagt! ;)

[sara]

Very good words Flash!:)

You expressed your opinion very well and I completely agree with you!;)

[deebeelicious]

Producers have to be able to 'sell' their movies/tv shows in 3 second slots now, hence descriptions like;

Its like Baywatch meets Jaws, or
Its like Alien meets Predator (oh wait, they actually made that one! :)))

etc. Being able to make a remake, you can explain 'immediately' your 'concept' ,eg Its a remake of
the Brady Bunch
Wonder Woman
Battlestar Galactica
Knight rider, etc, etc, etc

so easy (and unimagined) to do! :p

:mad:

[starlight]

This may be old news but I don't pay much attention to the news of the movie. My nephew is excited at the thought of an A-Team movie and I showed him the imdb.com page: http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0429493/
It's news to me:
A group of Iraq War veterans looks to clear their name with the U.S. military, who suspect the four men of committing a crime for which they were framed.

Why can't they show our guys living in today an fighting to clear their name?

[sara]

Starlight.... what an incredible avatar!!!!!!!!!!!! That's great!!!!!!

[Denise Ross]

If any of the boys are in it I would definetly consider it

[ani]

Not for real fans.

Oh come now, lets not get into whose a better fan issues over a silly movie.
Liking or not liking the new A-Team move is no indication of how "real" a fan is. There are pleanty of adaptations out there that are not remotely like the original (like any Diseny adaptation of any fairy tale EVER) and they can still be pretty good and enjoyed by different people.

Enjoying a movie comes down to taste, and so is enjoying an adaptation.
Basically, is it a movie you like and are the changes things you can work past or not?
Even if you'd normally like that kinda movie, if you can't work past the changes you don't like it And there's no har, there or fantacism. Everyone has that one show/Book/whatever that they don't wanna see changed.

But at the same time, if someone can work past the changes and enjoy the movie, that's fine too. Everyone also has things they can see adpated and changed and still enjoy the new thing for what it is. They're no more or less a "true" fan, they just have different tastes.

I see a lot kinda thing in Sci-Fi fandoms. Where people pass judgement based on others tastes in shows. You know, you arent' a true Star Trek fan if you like Babylon 5, or you can't be reading Alfred Bester if you don't like NBG, or you have the brains of Tofu if you like Stargate/Firefly/Original BSG/show some person does not like.

And it was really bad when the X-men movie came out, which yeah changes canon MASSIVELY, and some did like it, but some did, but peopel got really nasty about it.

So I'm gonna be sad if the new A-Team movie causes that kinda unpleasant riff in the A-Team fandom :(

Besides, again, it's just a movie. Not a TV sereis. It's not really re-writing the canon in the same way the NBG show did. It's like a fanfic. Just keep thinking of it that way.
It's an AU fanfic.

If you like it yay, if you don't also yay.

PS: Starlight
BEST AVATAR EVER! *ROFL*

[bibbi]

I still am not going to see it. I'd like to remember the A-Team the way it was.
I don't like remakes. Most of the ones I've seen have been terrible. :rolleyes:
I would see it if it were say A-Team The Next Generation. Now, that's a concept that I could live with. ;)

[ani]

I would see it if it were say A-Team The Next Generation. Now, that's a concept that I could live with.

EEK! No *L* That's the concept I'd be most wary of. Their children or heirs or dkhfdskghdsghsdj no no no no. *L* That's way to coincedental for me to go far.

I do wish they'd have the guts to set this in Vietnam though :(
I get that they wanna make it relevant but ummmmmm you don't need the grab the most modern war for that.

Most people can extrapolate any allegories that are made to modern times *shakes head* That and I think the Iraq war will get too bogged down in politics. Everyone is gonna scream the movie has either a liberal or conservative message/bias/whatever, and really tha'ts soooo not what the A-Team is about.

So *meh* I'll give the movie a chance but I do feel they want the route that took the least amount of effort and had the least amount of risk attached.
. . . like the remake of The Stepford Wives. god forbid we go into any modern feminsit issues, those take though! Lets just make the whole thing one big JOKE! HA! *head desk* (Stepford Wives if anyone wants to know, is the re-make I've been most offended thus far in my life)

[ostarella]

I think I could handle the movie as an AU - Lord knows, in fanfic I've taken the guys down a lot darker alleys than the show ever did ;) And, as others have said elsewhere, I might even deal with Face being the "supposed" bad guy in the beginning, if it was cleared up in the end. But Face just "bad" is one of those AU plots that I've never been a big fan of.

I also agree about the "children of the A-Team" scenario - I've never read a fanfic yet with that theme that I didn't shake my head over. And if it were just a "new" A-Team (not supposed to be the originals) then it would just be another war movie. :p

But, no, I don't think anybody needs to get their underwear in a bundle over it. It will be interesting to see what happens when (and *if*) it's ever released. Maybe this fandom could actually discuss it without getting the walls muddy ;)

[ani]

Maybe this fandom could actually discuss it without getting the walls muddy

I'm betting we can. Aside from the A-Team fandom being hands down the nicest, friendliest, most compromisng and understanding fandom I've ever been in, this whole movie thing really is a whole other set up than what happened with BSG. As has been said, it's not like we were promised a continuation with Dirk Dwight and T and then had that snatched away. We'd kinda accepted there would be a movie and it wouldn't be much related to the TV series.

And re-make movies rarely get fandoms of their own large enough to rival the TV series fandom. Usually if you like the movie you also like the TV show and it's one big happy fandom. BSG was . . special. It's not like we should get another fandom to raise up as argue with us.

Hopefully a movie just generates interest in the TV seriesand gives us fans something fun to discuss. ^__^

And if it were just a "new" A-Team (not supposed to be the originals) then it would just be another war movie.

I'm betting that's how I'm gonna need to view it. Like Mission Impossible was another Spy Movie *L* If I try to think of MI as related to the TV series it hurts.

[bibbi]

I think a A-Team next generation movie would and could work. I'm not talking about the children or heirs of the original A-Team. That's not what I meant. The members of the original A-Team are looking for Hannibal's murderer. We'd have George Peppard as Hannibal in flash backs. The team recruits a new A-Team from soldiers who have also been falsely accused of a crime and help them clear their name and also find Hannibal's murderer. We'd have Mr. T as B.A. and Dwight Schultz as Murdock and of course Dirk Benedict as Face. That's a movie I'd watch. :)

[Zilfstar]

Yes, I think that could work. Allthough Mr. T has lost some of his muscle I believe. And if he would do it? Dirk and Dwight I think might be up for it, with your idea...

Who would you consider a perfect cast for the "next" A-team? According to Dirk it would become all female:)) .

So let's see. I think it has to become a 4-some again. And ofcourse with 4 totally different characters. But not exactly like the real A-team (the leader:cool:, the good looking one;), the nut case:p and the bully :mad:)

So let's think about an A-team of:

4 guys...

4 dolls (sorry: girls...:D)

or a mix of gender...:confused:

And who? As what kind of character...

[sara]

Well, I agrre that going or not to watch this film isn't a matter of being a "real fan" or not.

But I can agree that our "generation" (it doesn't depend on our age, but the fact that we've enjoyed it in a specific period) loves the original A-Team. No compromises (at least.. I speak about me).

A remake would spoil the charm of this fiction, which has always meant so much foe me.
I completely agree with Anne about it.
It's not a matter of being nostalgic (even if I confess I am!!).. or being "purists" of the A-Team.. it's just a way yo keep safe our fairy world.

[Flash]

Oh come now, lets not get into whose a better fan issues over a silly movie.

I certainly had no intention to do that with my comment, ani. If other people like that film - fine with me, no problem, they are not bad fans because of that. Maybe it came through a little wrong, my motto always was and will be 'live and let live'.

What irks me so much is the fact, that everything that has a name and was at some time somehow successfull is cannibalized for the money. It's not only TV shows, it's the same with computer games. Don't do something new, better sell a name the people know, because it might make some more money! If they would instead concentrate on making the things good, they woouldn't need such a name, because the product would sell itself.

Don't get me wrong, the film might be good, but why do they need to call it the A-Team? To make old fans go to the cinema and check it out. By the time the people know if it is good or not, they've paid. Voilá. To me that is cheating, but heck, it's the way it works these days and those guys in the studios are no different from other companies who are trying to sell their goods no matter how. I get a little recalcitrant if they try to get at my money like that, that's all. No offense intended...

Somehow I like to think that my thoughts are partially heading in the same direction as Dirk's 'Lost in castration' >:)

[bibbi]

What irks me so much is the fact, that everything that has a name and was at some time somehow successfull is cannibalized for the money. It's not only TV shows, it's the same with computer games. Don't do something new, better sell a name the people know, because it might make some more money! If they would instead concentrate on making the things good, they woouldn't need such a name, because the product would sell itself.

Don't get me wrong, the film might be good, but why do they need to call it the A-Team? To make old fans go to the cinema and check it out. By the time the people know if it is good or not, they've paid. Voilá. To me that is cheating, but heck, it's the way it works these days and those guys in the studios are no different from other companies who are trying to sell their goods no matter how. I get a little recalcitrant if they try to get at my money like that, that's all. No offense intended...

Somehow I like to think that my thoughts are partially heading in the same direction as Dirk's 'Lost in castration' >:)

I agree with your comments. I also think that they just do this as a marketing ploy. It really irks me when there is so much great talent in Hollywood to make new stories/ideas and they waste it. Not all remakes I've seen are bad. But, a lot of them are. :neutral:

[ani]

I certainly had no intention to do that with my comment, ani. If other people like that film - fine with me, no problem, they are not bad fans because of that. Maybe it came through a little wrong, my motto always was and will be 'live and let live'.

*whew* ok *L* All my fandoms seem to end up divded like that and honestly, of all the horrors a movie can bring, dividing a fandom into us versus them is one of the worst. But yes Live and let live is a great motto ^__^

But Live and Let Die is a great song :p

What irks me so much is the fact, that everything that has a name and was at some time somehow successfull is cannibalized for the money. It's not only TV shows, it's the same with computer games. Don't do something new, better sell a name the people know, because it might make some more money! If they would instead concentrate on making the things good, they woouldn't need such a name, because the product would sell itself.

You know I don't remotely disagree with this point and it is in fact a happy ranting point, and as you said, a great point Dirk makes in LIC.

But at the same time . . . it not always all about the money.
Money can be big because you gotta get people to take risks, but sometimes there's love for the material in there.

LotR was a great example. Some peple hate Peter Jackson for the changes he made, and yes some changes were done for marketability, but at the same time, there's no deny there was love in that movie for the surce material, andnot just a cash in on HP (I also get te idea whoever did Golden Compass truly loved it, where as whoever did Narnia money grabbed .. BAd disney BAD).

Same with the Constintine movie. Keanu Reeves could not have been a worse choice for what is suppossed to be low class ENGLISH cyincal arsehole of a mage (also BLOND) and yet . . . the movie got made partially because Keanu so badly wanted to play Constintine. He loved the character. The studios agreed because he was big after Matrix.
Marketability met fanboy and you got a movie that . . most Hellblazer fans want to kill (but I liked it! It works as Hellblazer it does even if they moved it to LA, it's just AU John . . .). But large sections of that crew, from what I've read, are huge fans of the comic and were just trying to tell a good Hellblazer story while pleasing those who are paying for it all (and there's the kicker, pleasing the money bags -_-. I could never write for movies or TV. I'd throttle an executive. I don't know how JMS and Larson dealt with that!)

And I think there is some of that going on. It's not just money it's the people in Hollywood great up *wanting* to be these characters. You know some kid somewhere would give is left leg to play Face because they grew up an A-Team fan. So I kinda think that's part of the reason we are getting some of the movies we are getting.

But yeah sometimes it is about the money.
Or about egotistical writers who don't actually care for the source material and just want to put the anti-trek on TV because they needed therapy after being a Star Trek writer or something not that I have anyone specific in mind at all.

But then on that show which I don't specifically have in mind you have one actor just thrilled out of his ever loving mind to be on BSG because in his words, "he gets to be exactly what he wanted to be when he was 5"
I mean ksjghfdlghdfgh that's so cute!

So I think you're gettgin my generation growing up and making movies outta our childhood fantasies but, as fanfic writers will, putting out own twist on stuff. :oops:

So that's kinda what I'm hoping is there. Someone wanted to play the A-Team. Suits screamed the 80's premis wouldn't work, someone wants to REALLY play the A-team, so they work it out until suits will pay for movie.

And I'm just hoping love for the A-team wins over suits love for money, and that it wasn't all about marketing like some movies are.

. . . like Earthsea was.
Ohhh the rants I could do on that PoS.

[Nacky]

EEK! No *L* That's the concept I'd be most wary of. Their children or heirs or dkhfdskghdsghsdj

What is dkhfdskghdsghsdj?

Don't know how...something something...okay I give up. What is it? (where are the smilies?) Damnit!

[ani]

What is dkhfdskghdsghsdj?

Don't know how...something something...okay I give up. What is it? (where are the smilies?) Damnit!


Oh, it's something I picked up from livejournal as just a funny way to bascially express "I have no words due to strong emotion" type thing or kinda a "and I don't know what else to say here"

[Nacky]

Oh I see. Okay. So it's a random kinda press any key thing? Blah. Blur. Wuka Wuka. Wiki Wiki? Shazam! Okay I'm done. :P

Why is there no HTML for posts? The old format had smilies! Well dsgahadgahs!

[ostarella]

Just a quickie from the Website Updates forum, Nacky:

go to your CP, then "edit options" button, then waaaaay down at the bottom you'll find "Miscellaneous Options" - you want "Message Editor Interface" and choose the "enhanced" one.

Should be able to do all the smilies then :oops:

[sara]

What irks me so much is the fact, that everything that has a name and was at some time somehow successfull is cannibalized for the money. It's not only TV shows, it's the same with computer games. Don't do something new, better sell a name the people know, because it might make some more money! If they would instead concentrate on making the things good, they woouldn't need such a name, because the product would sell itself.

Don't get me wrong, the film might be good, but why do they need to call it the A-Team? To make old fans go to the cinema and check it out. By the time the people know if it is good or not, they've paid. Voilá. To me that is cheating, but heck, it's the way it works these days and those guys in the studios are no different from other companies who are trying to sell their goods no matter how. I get a little recalcitrant if they try to get at my money like that, that's all. No offense intended...

Somehow I like to think that my thoughts are partially heading in the same direction as Dirk's 'Lost in castration' >:)

TRUE TRUE TRUE!!!!
I perfectly agree with you Karin (it's your name isn't it?)

Doesn't matter if others fans think different, I respect it.
But personally I can't stand commerce absorbing everything..

[bibbi]

TRUE TRUE TRUE!!!!
I perfectly agree with you Karin (it's your name isn't it?)

Doesn't matter if others fans think different, I respect it.
But personally I can't stand commerce absorbing everything..

I agree with Karin too. *I have a cousin in Germany who's name is Karin* ;) *really* :D
I also can't stand commerce absorbing everything. Enough already. :mad:
We do need less of that.

[Flash]

*I have a cousin in Germany who's name is Karin* ;) *really* :D

Really? Unfortunately I'm quite sure it's not me ;) I know I've got relatives in the US somewhere, but our families lost contact 40 years ago :cry: But I wouldn't mind to have relatives in Canada, too :) Hubby and I always dreamt of a fishing trip to Canada, to catch some decent salmon :D

[sara]

Well, I'm considering the result of my poll.. The majority isn't going to watch this eventual film at the cinema.
I imagined this could be the result, and as you already know I share it.

Just hope this film is not to be produced!

[ostarella]

Several places have sited "Variety" as saying it will be released June 12, 2009. I haven't seen the actual article, though. :confused:

[sara]

Several places have sited "Variety" as saying it will be released June 12, 2009. I haven't seen the actual article, though. :confused:

Bad news.... :rolleyes:

[bibbi]

Several places have sited "Variety" as saying it will be released June 12, 2009. I haven't seen the actual article, though. :confused:


One comment. "NOOOOOOOOO!" :o :cry: :eek::rolleyes:

*you can all tell I really dislike the idea* ;)

[starlight]

One comment. "NOOOOOOOOO!" :o :cry: :eek::rolleyes:

*you can all tell I really dislike the idea* ;)

lol! I will be seeing the movie but when it comes out on DVD. And only with a free DVD rental trial. Then I can maybe, back up my arguments that this movie is a bad idea. Maybe the plot is not a bad idea but why do they have to jump on the A Team name just like many other TV classics have been subjected to.

[bibbi]

lol! I will be seeing the movie but when it comes out on DVD. And only with a free DVD rental trial. Then I can maybe, back up my arguments that this movie is a bad idea. Maybe the plot is not a bad idea but why do they have to jump on the A Team name just like many other TV classics have been subjected to.

They sure have wrecked a lot of the TV classics. The Dukes of Hazzard movie was awful. In fact most of the remakes I've seen have been terrible. :mad:No one has any original ideas any more? :o I'd be very happy to write a movie script. ;) I waited until they were available on DVD too. I probably won't even watch it. IF the movie is made. I'd rather keep my memories of the A-Team as they are. When they made the series they broke the mold. You can't improve on perfection. ;) :)

[ostarella]

Here's another take on casting :D

http://www.dothaneagle.com/gulfcoasteast/dea/lifestyle.apx.-content-articles-DEA-2008-04-06-0002.html

[sara]

Here's another take on casting :D

http://www.dothaneagle.com/gulfcoasteast/dea/lifestyle.apx.-content-articles-DEA-2008-04-06-0002.html


Ohh.. please no...

They want to murder our A-Team..

[bibbi]

Ohh.. please no...

They want to murder our A-Team..

One comment. "nooooooooo!" :cry: :o

*you can all tell I don't like the idea" :rolleyes:

[Crazy Tommy T]

Unfortunately to the great unwashed masses The A-team largely means one thing only, B.A. aka Mr. T. It wouldn't surprise me if that character hit the spotlight in this film, and frankly the other roles will hardly get a look in. Hence the 'idea' of making FACE the villain. Also, John Singleton directing, this has got 'gangster cool' written all over it. This will be a rapper version of the A-Team probably.

God help us.

[ostarella]

Yeah, every time I hear someone saying they want to make something "grittier", it really means adding more four letter words and more unnecessary blood and gore. And of course, making *any* team member a bad guy just totally destroys the basic concept. But what do we know - we've *only* been fans for years :rolleyes:

[sara]

I totally agree.. it doesn't make sense.
The ATeam exists as a group of 4 people with a particular character, particular skills and way of being.
Making one of them the villain is a nonsense.. it's Ateam nomore.. just another story..