Strange Conicidence

[Crazy Tommy T]

I presume you've heard about the latest shilpa controversy, being mauled by Richard Gere. The odd thing, aren't he and Dirk old acquaintances?

[bibbi]

HI Crazy Tommy T! :D
That's interesting and is it true?...:shock:
Do you have a link for that information?

How do you like our rankings?

Take care,
Anne :)

[Tracy]

I presume you've heard about the latest shilpa controversy, being mauled by Richard Gere. The odd thing, aren't he and Dirk old acquaintances?

Yes and I too saw that article.
It's a good thing Dirk didn't try to hug Shilpa goodbye in NewDehli otherwise he'd be burning in effigy :roll:

[bibbi]

Hi Tracy! :D
Do you have a link for that article?
I am interested in seeing it.
THANKS! :D

Take care,
Anne :)

[Genny]

I don't know how to post links, yet but it was on most news sites and might be on Youtube but I haven't checked. Shilpa has been campaigning for AIDS information etc charity for some years. So I admire, that. Richard Gere supports the same charity and phoned her up. and turned, up at the event. He does a lot of good, charity work. ..he really does.Unfortunately, he kissed Shilpa on the cheek, when they were addressing a big crowd of truckers. He then made it worse, by bending her over backwards and kissing her again, on the cheek. She looked very embarrassed, but had a sort of fixed grin, for a few seconds. She'd tried, to wriggle away..but he got her over. ( Well he would, wouldn't he ) So..the behaviour has offended some people and the effigy burning occurred. Some people on another site - can't recall which, people who live in India, say that one particular channel over there keeps playing it and has hyped it up a lot...and that not everyone, is disgusted. Quite a few are, tough. :shock: She'd have had to thump him, to stop him. He should have known ! Keep your lips off ! I also thought of Dirk...who didn't, kiss Shilpa or bend her about...just hugs and one, very brief nuzzle, when she asked to smell him when he'd had a shower. :shock: :shock: Clever Dirk, eh ? :D :D

[Arciris]

Hello!
Yes, I've read about kiss this morning and I've looked for it in youtube.This is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt23lqF-nM8

I suppose that everything is question of cultures and I respect this, but I think that there are exaggerated because in CBB Shilpa was embraced with Ian, Germaine, Dirk, and it did not pass anything. I think.
Perhaps was the moment, in direct, about beneficial cause..I don't know.
Yes Crazy, I agree. And with Tracy's comment.
Regards to all!!

[ostarella]

Oh, I guess I have to be the little voice in the wilderness here :oops: If someone had done that to me in public, I'd have been a bit pissed. To me, it didn't seem like a quick swoop and peck on the cheek, like you'd do in a joking manner. He was smooching her. So, okay, maybe not worthy of effigy burning, but not exactly in the best of taste, regardless of culture.

Oh, Genny - looks like you thought the same?

[Genny]

Yes, that's it . By the way..I meant to write 'though', not 'tough'!! I dont agree, that a bit of smooching is worthy of effigy burning. I appreciate, that it is not in keeping with their culture but I don't agree with aggression in response to such a mistake. Richard Gere should have realised, though that it might cause offence...not just culturally but personally. Has he no clue, about India ? I'm amazed. However....I think that he was trying, to do something good ...about AIDS awareness. He just forgot to have India, awareness ! I'd have lightly whacked him playfully, with my handbag...but that's easier said than done when a bloke has got you in a firm grip... :shock: :shock: ,

[ostarella]

I'd have lightly whacked him playfully, with my handbag...

I think I'd have given him a not-so-friendly whisper (Get your f***ing hands off!) - but then I've worked on the docks too long :roll:

[Genny]

Well..yes ! :roll: :D :D

[Crazy Tommy T]

There must be something about her when you meet her in person. She's an attractive woman with the it factor.

[bibbi]

Hello everyone!
Just, because a woman has the it factor, doesn't make it right for her to be treated like that, by any means. If a man treated me like that, I'd slap him. :x

Take care,
Anne :)

[Dawg]

It was a violation of a cultural taboo. Many conservative Indians no doubt see it as an attempt to impose Western values on a culture that holds tradition as sacred. To some, obviously, it was an effigy-burning affront. To others, it was a chance to get some face time in the media.

Yes, it was an overreaction. But Gere should have known better. He's not unfamiliar with that part of the world.

I am
Dawg
8)

[Feeonagh]

Hello everyone!
Just, because a woman has the it factor, doesn't make it right for her to be treated like that, by any means. If a man treated me like that, I'd slap him. :x

Take care,
Anne :)

At the risk of sounding flippant on a serious post......

Really Anne..... what if it were you know who? :wink:


Fee xx

[ostarella]

Ah, but "you know who" wouldn't do something like that, would he? Even on CBB, he chose Shilpa because she seemed most likely to see the fun of his flirting, and even then it was done "respectfully". Nothing like Gere did right out of the box.

There's "class", and then there's Class. :wink:

[Arciris]

I agree! Gere must have known this, and he was too affectionate for that moment, perhaps...
Yes, Ostarella, there's class, and there's Class. Up the Dirk's Class!! :wink:

[deebeelicious]

News reports say he was playing to the crowd, who enjoyed it enormously, apparently. The riots and effigy burning occurred elsewhere, by zealots with their own political agendas. Shilpa made a statement afterwards that this isn't the way to treat a guest of the country. It's a big broo-ha about nuffin.
Chill!

[ostarella]

Guys "play to the crowd" at women's expense a lot - and I dare say the "crowd" usually enjoys it. I don't want to make a big deal about nothing, but when you've been in the trenches long enough, this kind of thing does get to you. Like I said earlier, a *quick* swoop and a peck on the cheek would have been one thing - that's joking around. If you watch the vid, he just kept on going. I suppose I'll be accused of having no sense of fun, but when you've been mauled like that - it ain't no joke. It happens to be very personal property we're dealing with here. And of course Shilpa will make light of it - remember how concerned she was about image on CBB? She *has* to smooth things over. Again, effigy-burning is going to the extreme, but it's definitely not a little thing.

[bibbi]

Hi Fee! :D
Even if I was her(Shilpa), that still doesn't make it right. Women should and deserve to be treated with respect. Richard Gere didn't do that. :x What he did wasn't right, nor respectful by any means.

Take care,
Anne :)

[Feeonagh]

Hi Fee! :D
Even if I was her(Shilpa), that still doesn't make it right. Women should and deserve to be treated with respect. Richard Gere didn't do that. :x What he did wasn't right, nor respectful by any means.

Take care,
Anne :)

Hi Anne... I agree entirely with your sentiments

BUT

My comment, was a frivolous one, regarding your statement.. 'If a man treated me like that, I'd slap him'... Just thought... If it were Dirk...!! :lol:

Hugzzz
Fee xx

[Genny]

I agree that RG went a bit mucho macho and played to the crowd. I like him - his acting and his charity work...but Dirk..whatever his faults if he has them, clearly is a more aware and intelligent man and less focused on his own charm even though he flirts. When he was teasing Shilpa about marriage or adoption and she asked him -laughing..and clearly not, upset. to stop, .he stopped immediately. He was never, vulgar nor physically pushy. Even when Shilpa asked to smell his aftershave, he nuzzled her and only put a hand on her back. He let her roll away -laughing ie let her, be in control of the situation because in the circumstances it was appropriate to do, that. I have no doubts whatsoever, that Dirk can 'read'people and situations, like a book - he's very, very perceptive. It wuld be good if men who show off and grab, could learn a few things from that. I won't be sexist..Cleo..take note !!! :shock: :shock:

[bibbi]

Genny wrote:
I agree that RG went a bit mucho macho and played to the crowd. I like him - his acting and his charity work...but Dirk..whatever his faults if he has them, clearly is a more aware and intelligent man and less focused on his own charm even though he flirts. When he was teasing Shilpa about marriage or adoption and she asked him -laughing..and clearly not, upset. to stop, .he stopped immediately. He was never, vulgar nor physically pushy. Even when Shilpa asked to smell his aftershave, he nuzzled her and only put a hand on her back. He let her roll away -laughing ie let her, be in control of the situation because in the circumstances it was appropriate to do, that. I have no doubts whatsoever, that Dirk can 'read' people and situations, like a book - he's very, very perceptive. It would be good if men who show off and grab, could learn a few things from that. I won't be sexist..Cleo..take note !!! :shock: :shock:

Genny! :D Excellent points!
That's another reason why I want to meet Dirk, because he is a honourable man and respectul towards women and equally able to handle those women( like Cleo :twisted:)who act undignified and don't show respect towards men.

Take care,
Anne : :)

[Arciris]

Yeah, I remember when Dirk spoken a day with Shilpa in nowhere and he said: "Shilpa, if you say me stop, I stop, okey?" and his face was true face, with respect and feeling. Dirk always was correct, with all housemates.
I agree with you.

[Crazy Tommy T]

I wonder if this news has reached Dirk yet? :lol: And what he thinks about Gere getting his girl into trouble.

[bibbi]

I don't think Dirk would like it very much, Dirk and Shilpa became good friends and Dirk treated her with "real" respect. I certainly wouldn't want to meet Richard Gere. I don't like men that treat women with disrespect. That is a big NO in my book. Dirk is much more the gentleman and has "real" respect towards women.

Take care,
Anne :)

[ostarella]

And it goes on and on and...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070426/people_nm/india_gere_dc;_ylt=ArZ3OAJxWx31SG5kZDo2rBxxFb8C

[hats]

How ridiculous! Richard Gere may have been a bit pervy but he does not deserve this and neither does Shilpa if the arrest warrant rumours are true. The man went over there to do somthing nice for their country and instead of writing about the cause of the event which is very worthwhile and especially important in India, they write about this?

Sorry but they were up in arms burning big brother banners about Shilpa's treatment in the UK as people in the house disrespected her culture. The Uk agreed and thought it was disgusting hence the Shilpa win (I gave a few votes to Shilpa myself during bb). In Westernised culture, it is acceptable to be affectionate in public - why not show the same tolerence especially when an influencial star is trying to do good for the country?

[ostarella]

Yeah, it's akin to the British police getting involved with the CBB thing - it's just soooo outrageous. Yes, he screwed up. No, he doesn't need to get arrested for doing something stupid. Geez... :roll:

[moviemogul]

Ah Richard,
He obvioulsy has no idea of Indian culture, nor has he seen any CBB footage, India is a very reserved place, you have to use your head, or in other words not loose your head and not forget where you are. He made a right faux pas. Mauling Shilpa like that wouldnt be acceptable in India, here he would be seen as just going over the top. Still you have to respect the culture of the country you are in, no matter what work you are doing there.
Burning effigies is too much, but he should have been more tuned in. I also wonder what Dirk would make of it. Wasnt he friends with Richard at some stage?

[Crazy Tommy T]

Yes I just read somewhere else about the arrest warrants for Shilpa and Gere. :lol:

Good job they didn't watch the UK BB in India. :shock: :lol:

[deebeelicious]

Yes I just read somewhere else about the arrest warrants for Shilpa and Gere. :lol:

Good job they didn't watch the UK BB in India. :shock: :lol:


No arresst warrant for Shilpa, I believe. India is a very litigious country. Political parties are always trying to bring famous people to court, to embarras the government, etc. Often things get dismissed at the first court hearing. V few rich people in India ever get 'done' for anything - like rich people everywhere - they can always hire an expensive lawyer to get them out of trouble (if this was a legitimate case, which it isn't). When occasionally a few rich people get done, it does become a big news story.

Shilpa's film 'Metro' is due to be released in the UK on 11 May. I wonder if she will be 'conveniently' out of the country when the court case is being heard, so that her lawyer has to represent her?

If things go through to the bitter end, it would be disappointing for RG, coz he wouldn't be able to visit the Dalai Lama in India. Of course, the Dalai Lama is a world traveller, so RG could meet up with him elsewhere, so really, it'll all blow over, but it might just take a few months to go through the bureaucracy.

Regards

[bibbi]

Hi everyone! :D
Frankly, I think the whole thing has been blown out of proportion. I have some friends who are from India. And they have been telling me it's also media hype and the culture in India.
Arrest warrants? for what? Gere didn't try to rape Shilpa, he just went a little overboard.
I'm sure that Gere feels contrite and very sorry that he did that. At least, I hope so.
If everyone was charged and convicted of doing what Gere did. A lot of people would be in jail. There are more important things in life, like stopping wars and ending world hunger, than to worry about this! :roll:

Take care,
Anne :)

[Genny]

I agree. AIDS is a terrible, problem too.

[Tracy]

I certainly don't think any malice was intended on Gere's part.
He got carried away, lost in the moment, and I'm not sure if he was fully aware or simply forgot that there is a certain public "etiquette" in India for such behaviour.

Irregardless, the man has apologized and I'm not sure what else there is he can do.
Arresting him will accomplish nothing.

I think Richard Gere went a little over the top...but like people have said, it's definately been blown out of proportion. It's a little extreme to all of a sudden put a warrant out for him, if that is actually the case - but I'm guessing it will blow over soon anyway.

[bibbi]

Hi everyone! :D
i agree with what Mojo and Tracy and what other people have said.
Gere has apologized. That should be more than sufficient.
Arrest warrant? Come on. :shock: There are more important things in life.
Finding a cure for cancer, aids, other diseases, stopping wars and ending world hunger.

Take care,
Anne :)

[deebeelicious]

Look who's being summoned to court now?
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20070428/ten-entertainment-india-rai-bollywood-ju-9700fcb.html

See, it's not just RG getting in trouble - if things go on like this, there'll be no Bollywood left. What a load of rubbish! Can't wait for the District Judges to throw out the cases and charge the politicos with wasting police and court time!

xx

wtf...o_O...none of this makes sense anymore, seriously.

[bibbi]

Hi everyone! :D
I have great respect for people from different cultures. I still feel that India needs to update some of their laws. No disrespect to them intended on my part. There are certain degrees of what actually is deemed obscenity. I don't think that Richard Gere was being obscene, he just got carried away. That's my opinion.

Take care,
Anne :)

[Arciris]

Yes, I agree, friends.
There are more imporant things in life. Like Tracy say, I don't think any malice was intended on Gere's part. I respect indian laws but I think tnat the final is exaggerated. I hope that the things return to the tranquillity. I'm sure that thus it will be.
Have a nice day.

[deebeelicious]

The magistrate who issued the Gere arrest warrant has been 'moved' for 'routine administrative' reasons from his post!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6618553.stm

Load of tosh about nuffin. Glad it's all getting sorted! :lol:

[ostarella]

I wouldn't be too hard on the magistrate - according to an article I read, that obscenity law went on the books back when the Brits were in charge 8) :wink:

[Lily]

I need to research british and Indian history but i have the stangest feelng if it wasn't for the previous ruling of India by the UK things may be very different....

[moviemogul]

Oh sometimes its great to be the neutral one in all of this, in this regard we in Ireland have no concept of being in wars, making laws for other countries, in fact, if we were making laws none would be followed, we are great for making them, but no one follows them. Ah its great to be Irish all the same. :D :D :D

[bibbi]

Hi everyone! :D
I grew up with German culture. A lot of the Germans didn't know what were happening to the Jews during World War 2. I remember my Mother telling me this. I was raised not to have or believe in prejudice. To me a person is a person, even if you're purple with polka dots!.
I'd like to see the time come when we don't judge a person by how they look or their racial/cultural background. When it really comes down to it, we are all the same on the inside and out.
WE ARE ALL HUMAN.

Take care,
Anne :)

[dbukfan]

Hi All


So relief....Thank God...it's not our Dirk, who's kissin' her..........I think it's a bit over the top really :roll: :roll: .

Why can'r people just chill out and relax a little more, eh!!...crazy or what :roll: :roll: .


dbukfan...x

[Arciris]

Hi everyone! :D
I grew up with German culture. A lot of the Germans didn't know what were happening to the Jews during World War 2. I remember my Mother telling me this. I was raised not to have or believe in prejudice. To me a person is a person, even if you're purple with polka dots!.
I'd like to see the time come when we don't judge a person by how they look or their racial/cultural background. When it really comes down to it, we are all the same on the inside and out.
WE ARE ALL HUMAN.

Take care,
Anne :)

I agree Anne. Is very important that you say. Superb words.
Dbuk, yesss, thanks God it's not our Dirk in this occasion. :shock: Aissss!! lightening sigh :wink:
Good day!

[moviemogul]

Arciris, I have to agree with you everyone is human and what I find is that there is good and bad in everyone, a little bit of good in the worst of us and a little bit of bad in the best of us, I dont know if you have heard that expression before but its a good one.
And thank god Dirk wasnt the person who kissed Shilpa and that some BB scenes obviously diidnt make there way to India, otherwise they would have been taken the wrong way, :?

[bibbi]

Hi moviemogul! :D
I never heard that expression, but it's a good one.
Thank goodness it wasn't Dirk who did that with Shilpa.
But, Dirk is a very smart, very handsome and very well mannered man! :D :D

Take care,
Anne :)

[deebeelicious]

Hopefully this thing is going to be chucked out of court pretty soon.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6655259.stm

[bibbi]

Hi everyone! :D
Hi deebee! :D
Thanks for posting that link. I really think that more important things need to be concentrated on, like world hunger, poverty, finding a cure for cancer and other diseases. I respect other cultures, but this is ridiculous. I have some friends who are from India and they have even said it's a waste of their judicial system. I hope that this topic fades and totally disappears.
:roll:

Take care,
Anne :)

[deebeelicious]

*jumps up and down*

I told you, I told you ....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6657389.stm

xx :wink:

[Genny]

Thanks, for that. Good to see that there's a bit of sense about the issue now. :D

[ostarella]

Well, not really. The charges have been suspended - not dropped. The Supreme Court is just putting things on hold until they decide whether or not to combine the *three* separate charges into one, and where the trial will be held. :roll:

[bibbi]

Well, not really. The charges have been suspended - not dropped. The Supreme Court is just putting things on hold until they decide whether or not to combine the *three* separate charges into one, and where the trial will be held :roll:

Oh brother! :roll: No offense intended for the people of that culture, but isn't that a waste of the judicial system? Things like murder charges,(unfortunately), etc. are more important. Sad to say but quite true.


Take care,
Anne :)

[deebeelicious]

(As I've explained before ...)

The complaints have been brought by right-wing Hindu political parties trying to cause trouble. Once the complaints have been filed, the judiciary are obliged to go through the correct legal procedures. This means that a lot of spurious cases get started, but they usually (like 99% of time) get dropped on the first day the 'evidence' is discussed. At the moment the legal procedures are all to do with dropping the case before it comes to court. Very bureaucratic, I agree, but at least they are acting in a 'lawful' manner.
Of course I agree this is a complete waste of time, but for justice, now that the case has been brought, it has to go through the legal process (hopefully the combined case will be dropped asap). :lol:

[Arciris]

Well, not really. The charges have been suspended - not dropped. The Supreme Court is just putting things on hold until they decide whether or not to combine the *three* separate charges into one, and where the trial will be held :roll:

Oh brother! :roll: No offense intended for the people of that culture, but isn't that a waste of the judicial system? Things like murder charges,(unfortunately), etc. are more important. Sad to say but quite true.


Take care,
Anne :)

Ohh, men! I agree, Anne. How is the life sometimes.... :shock: :shock:

[Genny]

Knew, that the case hadn't been dropped. I agree with Deebeelicious. The process goes on, but that's not indicative of success for the people wanting a successful prosecution.

[bibbi]

The case will probably be thrown out eventually. What a waste of the system! :roll:

Take care,
Anne :)

[deebeelicious]

Here's a great article that explains what's going on in India (and to an extent, a lot of the Mid East/Asian world), re liberalism vs extremism.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20070523/ten-uk-india-intolerance-d3877cb.html

Best wishes
DeeBeeLicious

[bibbi]

Hi deebee! :D

Thanks for posting that link. I'd like to see the day where we won't have to deal with crime, poverty, pollution, diseases and world hunger.

Take care,
Anne :)

[ostarella]

Actually, what's happening over there isn't that much different than what the US has been seeing for the last decade or more - they're just more open about it. Here in the States we have the Religious Right infiltrating the governement, right down to the local school boards, claiming that their religious view a) won't influence their lawmaking decisions or b) are necessary to restore the moral fiber of the country. They don't call for outright arrests - they just call for laws taking away or limiting the rights of people they don't like.

I don't think it matters where one lives, really. There's always going to be one group that thinks everyone else should live by their rules and idea of morality. What's frightening is when they're allowed to make the laws backing up their bigotry and intolerance.

[deebeelicious]

I know most peeps here aren't interested in RG & SS - so I wonder why you've opened this thread?

Anyhow, couple of partially related news stories ... Sheffield, Yorkshire tries to avoid Richard Gere-type faux pas during the hosting of the 2007 Bollywood Oscars! :lol:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/south_yorkshire/6657009.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_yorkshire/6725617.stm