Racism?

[MontanaCowgirl]

I've been listening to BFBS Radio 1 in our car and they always say something about "India, Shilpa, Big Brother, Racism..." I didn't really get the message. Does anybody know more?

[Crazy Tommy T]

Blown out of proportion by the media, as usual. Just a bit of girly bullying, with suggested racial overtones.

[MontanaCowgirl]

Blown out of proportion by the media, as usual. Just a bit of girly bullying, with suggested racial overtones.

I understand. I found some information online and heard another report on the radio.

The media... why do they always have to do it? I mean her accent is charming... maybe they didn't mean to be any racisit - they definitely didn't have that in mind and if so, they wouldn't make it public. They just acted childish.
I remember doing that in school as we had some Turks in our class. But we were no rascists. Oh my goodness... you really have to be careful on TV. :roll:

The most terrible thing is that those exaggerations are often by the domestic press. I mean it's certainly the English press that blows it out that very much, right? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
But it's the same over here. If one German says something against a foreigner, but he didn't mean it "that" way, then the German press makes an own goal and calls the entire country German population a whole bunch of Nazis. Do German journalists believe it will exclude them?

It's a thing between Shilpa and the girls... let's let them deal with their problems. :roll:

[JazzaBazza]

I think that it has been blown out of proportion by the press. It was headline news on Radio One. And front page of most of the tabloids.

However it has raised certain points that maybe the younger generation are not as tolerant and culturally aware as perhaps they should be.

Most of the comments that they have said are borne out of ignorance. I;m sure when the girls come out of the house they will embarrassed by their behaviour.

[Crazy Tommy T]

I think there was some racism on tonights show, but it came from Danielle. "I think she should F****** go home".

Can't really make that look innocent.

Todays Live footage has been relatively calm, however.

[ostarella]

I hate to disagree, but I don't think it's been totally blown out of proportion. There have been *definite* references to her race, culture and customs, and not in a positive manner. Had BB done something about the bullying sooner, perhaps the press would not be having the field day they currently are, but there were definite racial overtones to the bullying. Ignorance is no excuse - not in this day and age. These are adults, and know darn well when they "remark" on someone's race or culture that it's *not* just a personality clash. If we don't hold people accountable for such behavior, aren't we in fact condoning it?

[Dawg]

I hate to disagree, but I don't think it's been totally blown out of proportion. There have been *definite* references to her race, culture and customs, and not in a positive manner. Had BB done something about the bullying sooner, perhaps the press would not be having the field day they currently are, but there were definite racial overtones to the bullying. Ignorance is no excuse - not in this day and age. These are adults, and know darn well when they "remark" on someone's race or culture that it's *not* just a personality clash. If we don't hold people accountable for such behavior, aren't we in fact condoning it?

Yep. That's exactly how I feel about it, too. Personally, I'm glad to see the uproar, because if it wasn't and/or it was minimized, it would show that we're a lot more intolerant than we need to be in this tiny world. We need to be intolerant of incidents like this, not of other cultures or race. It's the differences that make us, as humans, stronger.

Of course, the press is going to play it up as they play up any controversy. It sells papers.

But I think whoever is responsible for it needs to get booted - official "nomination" or not.

I am
Dawg
8)

[JazzaBazza]

I think we need to compare what else is happening in the world as to what qualifies as “news”. Are Jade Goody’s ignorant, naive, cruel, bullying comments really worthy of headline news? I personally sniggered when she announced that she was the 25th most influential person in the world!!! Let us not prove her right by quoting her and her coven of witches in the national press.

I have done impressions myself of Danielle and referred to her as the scouser. Am I being racist? Probably, or at least a tad prejudice against her. However, although I do not like her I’m not going to take her words out of context. Saying that Shilpa should go home, I believe cannot be construed as racist – all the housemates are away from Home and surely this comment could be made to anyone.

In my opinion Shilpa is a lovely, graceful woman who is acting with true dignity. She is not stooping to the level of Jade and co by making vile comments to her housemates.

Ironically the TV show that made Jade famous is likely to be the one that kills her career. Jade, Jo and Danielle are going to get slaughtered when they come out. But is this really the way to deal with this issue? Don’t get me wrong I am not condoning their behaviour at all. IN fact I have already said on this forum that their attitudes have made me feel ashamed to be English. Would it not be better to educate them in cultural awareness? I pity the 3 girls, firstly for their lack of tolerance and understanding and secondly because they will now be used a scapegoats by the media.

[Crazy Tommy T]

Channel 4 have been instructed to act, from offcom. And carphone warehouse has pulled it's sponsorship from the show. And Danilles fashion label have fired her.

[Sharma]

Channel 4 have been instructed to act, from offcom. And carphone warehouse has pulled it's sponsorship from the show. And Danilles fashion label have fired her.
Asa follow up, Jades perfume has been removed from sale, her TV contract with iving TV is not being renewed and Danielle lost a £500k modelling contract with a motorbike insurance firm.

I also don't think Jo's pop career will be looking too clever after all this.

[ostarella]

You're not going to believe this...

http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headline=dirk-in-new-bb-race-row-&method=full&objectid=18541768&siteid=93463-name_page.html

And this after the "romance" thing? Riiiiight... :roll:

[Sharma]

You're not going to believe this...

http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headline=dirk-in-new-bb-race-row-&method=full&objectid=18541768&siteid=93463-name_page.html

And this after the "romance" thing? Riiiiight... :roll:

You have to remember the People paper is one of the worst of the tabloid sensationalist papers - I suppose like your "Enquirer" paper; mainly fabrication and screaming headlines. I wouldn't put any credence on that headline - that story has had approximately zilch impact over here in the UK.

[ostarella]

That's one thing I've never been able to figure out about British newspapers - which ones are the tabloids and which ones are actually newspapers. Every time I think I've got it figured out, another weird headline pops out :wink:

I don't believe the article, of course, but I'm glad to know it's the kind of paper that people pay no attention to. I'd hate to have Dirk's name besmirched any more than it already has been. Too many people already believe the crap spewn on CBB... :(

[Tracy]

I'd hate to have Dirk's name besmirched any more than it already has been. Too many people already believe the crap spewn on CBB... :(

Dirk's name hasn't been besmirched IMHO. He merely was reciting the statistics he read. I don't consider what he said to be racist, just fact.

I haven't received one single piece of negative mail from anyone during Dirk's tenure in the CBB house. Not a single one. Out of hundreds ...*daily*. ALL of them have been wonderful letters of thanks and praise. :)

[ostarella]

By "besmirched" I meant "maliciously maligned" - which I think it has been. The things that were said in the house and in the press were definitely not nice, and unfortunately there are people who believe them. For those that know of him or have met him, and those smart enough not to believe everything they read, of course his name is still golden. :-)

[deebeelicious]

You're not going to believe this...

http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headline=dirk-in-new-bb-race-row-&method=full&objectid=18541768&siteid=93463-name_page.html

And this after the "romance" thing? Riiiiight... :roll:

You have to remember the People paper is one of the worst of the tabloid sensationalist papers - I suppose like your "Enquirer" paper; mainly fabrication and screaming headlines. I wouldn't put any credence on that headline - that story has had approximately zilch impact over here in the UK.

Dear All
Hertfordshire Constabulary have finally confirmed no criminal charges will be brought regarding the antics in the BB House. The police said the actions were 'offensive' but not 'criminal' - good call, I'd say!
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/09032007/140/cbb-race-arrests-police-decision.html
Phew too!, coz if it had gone further, the HMs might have had to attend court to give evidence, etc - not a pleasant thought at all - wouldn't want DB back in the UK for that reason!
Best wishes
DeeBeeLicious

[bibbi]

Hi everyone! :D
I just read that remark Dirk made.(through the link)
There is nothing racist in it whatsoever nor was it offensive.
Nor, did Dirk intend it to be. I believe that wholeheartedly!
I'm glad no charges are going to be laid.
Dirk did NOTHING wrong.
It's a shame when people overreact about something or take things out of context.

take care,
Anne :)

[ostarella]

Well, it was really ridiculous to include Dirk in any of that anyway. Who did he hang out with more than anyone else? The only two minorities in the house. Who did he make any negative comments about? The whites in the house.

Go figure... :roll:

[Tracy]

This is the perfect of example of why you should NEVER lock women up in a house together, who don't like each other, for 26 days :roll:

This isn't about racism it's about a trio of petty women who had nothing better to do than pick on someone. High school bullying. Sad women with no self esteem.

It's a farce and ridiculous and Channel 4 probably hooted with glee with the ratings spike it created.

Reality TV is CRAP.

[ostarella]

It's sad but true, as Dirk pointed out - the women were having all kinds of hissy fits and the men got along just fine (okay, with occasional lapses from Jack - but I guess that was predictable :wink: ). And it's not the first time I've seen the same thing. Wonder why that is? :roll:

[bibbi]

Hi everyone! :D
Those three women in the house need to grow up!. :x
I can honestly say even as a teenager, I didn't have a hissy fit. In fact I've never had one.
HONEST!
Poor Dirk...
I'm sure glad he's not around those three women anymore!

take care,
Anne :)

[Genny]

The Hertfordshire police have given up on the whole thing, apparently, because Jade and her mother refused to talk to the police plus no one wanted to press charges. The Crown Prosecution Service advised them that a prosecution would be unlikely to succed. The cost of policing up to that decision -ten thousand pounds. The police said that the behaviour was legally offensive, but that without someone wanting to press charges, it could go no further. I'm not trying to perpetuate a discussion -just saying what has been decided. The programme makers say that they handed over all tapes. The police say that they did not. Danielle, is said to be suing the programme makers for editing out her saying that it was a silly thing to be doing, to be arguing about chicken stock cubes - during the argument plus, expressing her concerns in the diary room about the scene which had ensued. She says that the programme makers edited it so that all ,we saw, was her laughing. Hmmn ! I thought she was ghastly, on CBB, but the the editing was, dire.

[Lily]

The nightly highlights show may have been edited but although the programme makers,
did control the live stream , a lot went on there that the public did not see, and there was lots of little interesting moments that are caught. I need to check if my BB posts are still in my history file. All 4 women and lets not forget jack said a lot of AWFUL things that they were going to do. And said a lot of nasty things.
Dirk was extremely popular amongst the people writing the live update thread, because he was funny and extremly watchable , has(not many)his faults like any normal human beings were there to see, but being testy in the morning does not comprare to being foul mouthed , that horrible curry remark that was said by one and anothers CONSTANT MOANING in every other sentence. Now personally I would love to let this lie but those 3 girls (Jack and Cleo are laying low IMO) are still there due to the d*mned British media trawling their nets thinking they are important. What gets me that the girls are being interviewed by journalists (who in the normal sense get very snobby about this whole concept of BB) have not seen the whole 24 hours of each programme. So therefore do not have a complete idea of what they are talking about.
And when people watched the programme they didn't Listen.!
Even now they is a select few that say Dirk shoots bears.
Funny that I had a thread on 17 jan quite clearly stating that Dirk said to Jo that he didn't.
Tell this to morons in other threads and you get attacked verbally.

My point in this thread is you can say what you like and do what you like, but when theres money and ratings involved, others are blind to that fact and people really do hear what they want to hear despite the fact that there is 24 hour coverage of what is seen and heard. 'our love of the freedom of speech 'over here is so abused
( the reason for this rant is that Jo has another interview with Gmtv Grr)

(oh and on the day its alledgedly reported that BB won't show tapes, the live update threads about the show on Cbb forums disappear)

Don't often rant but there you go .
Going to lie down now, thank you for reading,

Think butterflies and whiskers on kittens...

[deebeelicious]

This is the perfect of example of why you should NEVER lock women up in a house together, who don't like each other, for 26 days :roll:

This isn't about racism it's about a trio of petty women who had nothing better to do than pick on someone. High school bullying. Sad women with no self esteem.


Do you know that human pheromones are quite potent? The girls behaviour reminded me of going to college and living with other girls. Suddenly all those female pheromones are spewing out, and girls get hyped up. Do you know it only takes 2 - 3 months for women's menstrual cycles to get in sync if they live together? The first 1 - 2 months the roommates can be quite 'hormonal' as their cycles get all mixed up until they start following the 'alpha' female's cycle? Some of the arguements I used to have with my mum every month as a teenager were 'legendary'! LOL!

This isn't an excuse for the ladies behaviour in the house, just maybe part explanation? It's also a good reason not to promote polygamy, especially for the women to all live in the same house! Most men, even where polygamy is accepted, only have one wife - this is part of the reason - the second reason - well would you want 2 or more mothers-in-laws ganging up on you?

Regards

[ostarella]

Well, I suppose it could have been one of the problems, but blaming pheremones for those broads' behavior is kinda like blaming testosterone for rape, isn't it? :wink: I'm a firm believer that the only reason we act the way we do is because we choose to. Bad manners and raunchy language are habits. And like any other habits, they can be broken *if* the person wants to.

[bibbi]

Hi everyone! :D
There is NO excuse whatsoever for the behaviour of those women in the BB house.
I wasn't raised that way. You treat people with courtesy and respect.
This is what I do and it is a mantra that I follow on a daily basis..
It's true that some of us didn't see everything that happened on BB, I just saw some of it with a lot of it edited out, I couldn't see the whole thing since I live in Canada.
I think that we should give this whole topic a permanent rest and not discuss it anymore.
Frankly, I am getting sick of it. :x
Tracy said it best" Big Brother is over and everyone has gone on with their lives."

take care,
Anne :)

[ostarella]

That's kind of like asking a river not to flow, isn't it? :wink:

Actually, I kinda like that it hasn't died down completely - it's certainly led to a few interesting "side" discussions...

[bibbi]

Hi ostarella! :D
I partly agree with you there...
Sometimes, I do tend to vent :oops: ...
I didn't mean to tell anyone what to do or say or dictate that no-one should say anything anymore!
Sorry about that!
I'm not feeling very well today. :(
Bad case of the stomach flu..luckily it's just the 24hr bug.

take care,
Anne :)

[Lily]

Just to say I hope you get better soon anne.

Just another point I'd like to make. I will happily forget all the furore that is happening but its the media on tv and papers that keep bringing it up . I would love it to all die down but its like an itch that can't be reached to be scratched with them.
Too many hands in other peoples pockets (Money wise)

I forget that you in europe and across the pond, did only get highlights or news bullitens Dirk struck a chord with stirred memories and being the good bloke that he is too and we as a different nation saw in him a lot of qualities that he has ( and Jer and Shils too)
that we wished more people had thats all.
Its bought him a lot of new fans. I won't forget this Cbb lets face it if you had a choice between George Galloway the MP and Pete Burns ex pop star, and Jermaine Jackson and Dirk Benedict, who are the ones you imagine you could get on with ,got a sense of humour nice and funny ( and Jer made me laugh at times) or PB and GG whom appeared in a totally different way ?

I have never joined a popular actors forum before, why should I ?
Until now.
Why ?for similar reasons the rest of you have.
I know it was a bad experience for Dirk, but cheers for appearing on it and the best of luck to him.

Going to need a bucket of hot soapy water, because i need to clean my soapbox, since I have done two long threads today,
Love Light and Peace as Spike Milligan used to sign off. x

[Genny]

Was very interested in what Deebeelicious said. Dirk, was the alpha male, in the group. There were obviously other reasons as well, for the bad behaviour, but some of it clearly was due to the fact that he was cooped up with too many females...or at least -the wrong sort. Do you know about the Coolidge effect ? I guess it depends on the chickens, really....I think that none of us, are fascinated by the CBB programme itself. I am, interested in what Dirk had to deal with and how he did, that, because I admire him tremendously, for keeping his cool. The women were vying to be alpha female...ie the most popular, the most important, the most attractive, etc etc. They focused on the alpha male...whether in a positive or a negative way. As the alpha male, he was the obstacle against them winning. His attention, was also important, in marking out their status. I do, find it interesting that six females could, have ben chosen who would have got on with him well, enjoying his company but going about their business, calmly. The programme makers deliberately chose women they knew weren't capable of that and in my view not feminine in the best sense of the word nor intelligent. How women are represented is, important. It can influence youngsters, and affect every aspect of life..

[moviemogul]

Genny too true, I think what was shown and what came across very, very well, was the differences between the American culture and the English culture, if you have ever been to the states you will have noticed the politeness in everyday speech, sir, madam, have a nice day, etc. The respect that Jermaine and Dirk showed the other housemates was typical of American culture, they had no problem with anyone unless they were put upon by the rest. Manners is a big issue in the states and it could be said that most of the english housemates (especially the girls) didnt show much of this. Give me that culture of politeness any day.

[starlight]

Speaking of women being cooped up, did anyone watch the last series of I'm a Celebrity (UK version)? When the camp was split into male and female groups, the men did get on with each other a lot better than the women. I'm no psychologist but were the women fighting each other to be the alpha female (I remember Phina).
I think the same was with this series of CBB. Shilpa was the alpha female - she was more intelligent, beautiful and generally nicer than those three. They only stopped with her because they were 'told off' by Big Brother. Not being allowed to take on the alpha female anymore, they set their sights on the alpha male - Dirk. He is a incredibly intelligent so much so, that most of them would not be able to keep up with him, incredibly handsome and charming, fit and incredibly healthy. Another words, everything that they are not but wish to be so they try to get rid of him so they are not shown up so much and stand more of a chance of being the alpha fe/male? Though, they would've found someone else to bully if Dirk or shilpa were not there.
And I just noticed I have used 'incredibily' a lot in my description of Dirk. My thoughts that he is my alpha male ;)

[deebeelicious]

Genny too true, I think what was shown and what came across very, very well, was the differences between the American culture and the English culture, if you have ever been to the states you will have noticed the politeness in everyday speech, sir, madam, have a nice day, etc. The respect that Jermaine and Dirk showed the other housemates was typical of American culture, they had no problem with anyone unless they were put upon by the rest. Manners is a big issue in the states and it could be said that most of the english housemates (especially the girls) didnt show much of this. Give me that culture of politeness any day.

Dear All
I have to disagree with Moviemogul, if you don't mind. As Jermaine & Dirk both said several times, it was a 'class' clash, rather than 'ethnicity' or 'English vs American' culture. I've been many times to the US, and I've met some polite and some not so polite people there. The same is true everywhere.

The whole incident was very shocking to the British people because most Brits aren't as appalling as those women. I'd say most people woudn't behave like that. The younger women in particular seem to have had very little exposure to 'foreigners', for example they never considered that others might not be able to understand their accents. Dirk had difficulty communicating with them, remember. I've had a few complements from foreigners I've meet that they can understand what I say much more than other people around me. Well I guess I've learnt to slow down (and simplify if a person's vocab isn't very extensive). As I said earlier, I'm especially good where English is a foreign language, like for Americans - ROFL! Only joking! Americans & Brits - divided by a common language, hey!

However I agree with this bit - we do have a tendency to curse a lot - see eg opening minutes of 'Four Weddings and a Funeral'. Of course not everyone, so please don't flame me that you never swear!

Best wishes
xx
DeeBeeLicious

[deebeelicious]

Was very interested in what Deebeelicious said. Dirk, was the alpha male, in the group. There were obviously other reasons as well, for the bad behaviour, but some of it clearly was due to the fact that he was cooped up with too many females...or at least -the wrong sort. Do you know about the Coolidge effect ? I guess it depends on the chickens, really....I think that none of us, are fascinated by the CBB programme itself. I am, interested in what Dirk had to deal with and how he did, that, because I admire him tremendously, for keeping his cool. The women were vying to be alpha female...ie the most popular, the most important, the most attractive, etc etc. They focused on the alpha male...whether in a positive or a negative way. As the alpha male, he was the obstacle against them winning. His attention, was also important, in marking out their status. I do, find it interesting that six females could, have ben chosen who would have got on with him well, enjoying his company but going about their business, calmly. The programme makers deliberately chose women they knew weren't capable of that and in my view not feminine in the best sense of the word nor intelligent. How women are represented is, important. It can influence youngsters, and affect every aspect of life..

Like your comment Genny, especially the Coolidge effect - didn't know about that so looked it up on wikipedia. Thanks!
I hope we're starting to see a 'sea-change' in UK with regard to youngsters behaviour. I think people are starting to wise-up that 'indulging' kids isn't best for them. Teenagers tend to spend a lot of time with their peers rather than their families in the UK, so behavioural standards and expectations aren't reinforced, compared with places like eg rest of Europe.

Overall I think CBB5 will have a positive effect on the UK!

Regards
DeeBeeLicious

[deebeelicious]

I've had a few complements from foreigners I've meet that they can understand what I say much more than other people around me. Well I guess I've learnt to slow down (and simplify if a person's vocab isn't very extensive). As I said earlier, I'm especially good where English is a foreign language, like for Americans - ROFL! Only joking! Americans & Brits - divided by a common language, hey!

Sorry, that sounded a bit 'blowing my trumpet through my arse' there! What I meant to say was that the more people (who are different from us) that we meet, the more flexible, understanding and considerate we become (hopefully). Frankly those girls are just shallow, ignorant, simpletons who need to get out a bit more and learn a lot about the rest of the world.
Btw, Jade's been in India lately (Shilpa wasn't free to meet up with her - LOL!) to try to make amends. Well at least she's trying ... very trying!!! LOL!

xx
DeeBeeLicious

[ostarella]

I think I'd have to disagree with the generalization that Americans are polite, in that it isn't a question of nationality. It isn't even a question of economic class or education. It's a matter of how did the parents raise the kids, both by "training" and by example. If the parents are mannerly to themselves, their children, neighbors, store clerks, etc - that's how their children are going to act as well. Even with peer pressure, parents who have instilled a sense of self-worth and self-respect in their kids are not going to have problems, because their kids won't need to bow (totally) to their friends' teasing or ridicule. What you reap is what you sow...

[bibbi]

Hi everyone! :D
I was born in Canada.
But, both my parents were from Germany. My brother and I were raised the German way.
You treat people with courtesy and respect. That's how and my brother treat people.
It was instilled in us as children. So, I didn't have a traditional Canadian upbringing.
A lot of us Canadians are friendly. The place where I live, everyone says Hello to you.
I really like it up here.
Dirk to me looks like he had a very good upbringing, naturally being of German background too!(Niewoehner):wink::lol:
Dirk has excellent manners and a genuine warm friendliness and is really down to earth. :D
I'm glad it wasn't spoiled by the outrageous antics in Big Brother or by the producers of that show.
It took a lot of guts for him to appear on it and he handled himself with grace and dignity throughout the whole thing. :D

take care,
Anne :)

[moviemogul]

I have to agree with all that has been said either agreeing with me or disagreeing discussion on these topics goes along way for different cultures and nationalites to understand one another. There were alot of differences, the old, young divide, the UK and rest of the world divide, the way that men and women behave in packs, but alot can be learned from it all and I think as Dee Bee said it can only be a good thing. . The lack of respect that was shown in CBB is everywhere at present, we are no better here in Ireland, we are certainly catching up in alot of ways here in Ireland too, not as friendly as we used to be, swearing etc. But hopefullly CBB will make people sit up and take notice.

Anyway Happy St Patricks Day to Dirk, if he is lurking, TracyB and everyone else on the forums. Byeee

[moviemogul]

Oh before I forget, can anyone help me, I have been waiting to get Confessions from Amazon.co. uk and after 2 months just got an email telling me it wont be available until mid April. I have cancelled in the hope of getting it elsewhere, can anyone from the States tell me of a bookstore I might get it, as I will be in California at end of month, thanks it would be a great help.

[Arciris]

Oh before I forget, can anyone help me, I have been waiting to get Confessions from Amazon.co. uk and after 2 months just got an email telling me it wont be available until mid April. I have cancelled in the hope of getting it elsewhere, can anyone from the States tell me of a bookstore I might get it, as I will be in California at end of month, thanks it would be a great help.

Hello moviemogul!
Yes,the people had said to me that it was very difficult to find it, was exhausted.
My sister bought the book to me in Chicago, now in march, in "Barnes&noble". As they did not have she ordered it, but in those days she had to go to Kansas, and they took it in 5 days where she was in that moment.
I recommend to you a great bookstore because if they don't have it, they can send if you remain more than one week. She said to me that if they take more than seven days, they give back the money to you. Where I live, this is incredible!! Here you can be waiting for a month and nothing. :shock:
You can to find the telephone number of this bookstore or an other big too, and I am safe that in few days you have it.
I do not even have it in my hands but I have desire!
Luck and already you will say to us :wink:
I hope to have to you helped.
Sorry for my english..

[moviemogul]

Hi Arciris, and Ostarella thanks for the help, I will try both avenues and you are both very kind and your English Arciris is wonderful, you would not like to hear my Spanish, I cannot even speak a full sentence so good for you, keep it up :)

[Arciris]

Hi Arciris, and Ostarella thanks for the help, I will try both avenues and you are both very kind and your English Arciris is wonderful, you would not like to hear my Spanish, I cannot even speak a full sentence so good for you, keep it up :)

Thanks moviemogul! You're welcome!
Don't worry. In my spoken english i don't say a full sentence, either..Read and write is easier for me because I help myself of a dictionary :wink: . Liitle by little.
Kisses.
Have a nice day!

Anne, I like very much the phrase:
"Dirk has excellent manners and a genuine warm friendliness and is really down to earth"
:P

[deebeelicious]

The lack of respect that was shown in CBB is everywhere at present, we are no better here in Ireland, we are certainly catching up in alot of ways here in Ireland too, not as friendly as we used to be, swearing etc. But hopefullly CBB will make people sit up and take notice.

Thx MovieMogul for your comments.
I'm sorry to hear that Ireland is 'modernising' in a bad way. My Uncle lived in Ireland for awhile in the 1970s, and the friendliness of the neighbours when we went to visit was wonderful - still remember it now! Kind of like Northern England but 5x as friendly!

Iraqi people I've met have reminded me a lot of Irish people - so friendly, warm and considerate (OK, I'm sure there are many who aren't, it's just the ones I've met have always been fab) It's funny how sectarian violence has occurred in both (well NI not ROI) - I don't know if both (friendly people, sectarian violence) are related, or just an awful coincidence.

Best wishes to all!

[dbukfan]

Hello Moviemogul

Just to let U know that I rec'd Dirk's book few wks ago by Amazon...which I've ordered since Jan'07......but one interesting thing, is at the back of the book has got a sticker of a book shop in London.....which I then rang for 2nd book....v freindly lady there...BUT she said got lots of calls for 2nd book....but no luck...oh, well...Dirk, pls..pls print more.
I just wonder if U're interested...pls let me know....I'll go find it & give U their number.

Have a nice day.

dbukfan....x

[moviemogul]

dbukfan,
Thanks alot, I am trying every avenue, so if you have it I and I know of at least another person who maybe interested too, I would appreciate it. At this rate, Dirk will have written his autobiography before I get my hands on his first book, but I am grateful for the info and will tryt this also.

[dbukfan]

Hi Moviemogul

Here it is,

Deep Books Ltd. (no address)
Tel: 0208 693 0234
Fax: 0208 693 1400

Good luck and G'nite....


Take care

dbukfan...x

[bibbi]

Hi everyone! :D
Back to the original topic in this thread. Racism?
Today I took a day off.
I took a look at YouTube.com today and found some unseen footage of the Shilpa/Jade quarrel. :shock:
It was Jade and Danielle who were racist in their remarks. Cleo certainly didn't help matters and just stood by and did nothing.
Dirk comments were NOT racist.
The three people who handled themselves with dignity in BB were
Jermaine, Dirk and Shilpa.
I didn't like Shilpa at first because of the remarks she made about Dirk, but after viewing the attack made on her by Jade and seeing how she handled herself, I've changed my mind.
Dirk genuinely liked Shilpa because of her grace and good character, there was no romantic involvement, but a genuine affection and friendship and harmless flirtation.
I saw a few videos on YouTube that stated that fact.
I can really see the reason why Dirk doesn't want to go to the UK, it's because of the actions of Jade, Danielle and Cleo. DISGRACEFUL. :x
I took a look at Jade Goody's website and a lot of damage has been done by her actions on big brother. She is trying to rectify things.
I am not sure if I believe her sincerity.
This is the link for Jade's website, if anyone's interested.
http://www.jadegoodyonline.com/

take care,
Anne :)

[Lily]

Hi everyone! :D
Back to the original topic in this thread. Racism?

I can really see the reason why Dirk doesn't want to go to the UK, it's because of the actions of Jade, Danielle and Cleo. DISGRACEFUL. :x


take care,
Anne :)

The reason I singled out this line, is that i don't wish to take it out of context ( but I am)
I agree that their actions were disgraceful etc, (But Shilpa had a bad time of it too and she has recieved many oppotunities to do work over here, and as far as i know she has accepted ) however that sentence shone out for it can come across that Dan Cleo Jo and Jade = female uk population.
It isn't true !I am totally english, family going back to 1650's prove that point. And female, older than Jade, younger than Cleo. and well worth visiting. :wink:

It may be true, but I doubt it. - I assume if the right offer of work that was so perfect , the timing was right, etc that Dirk will revisit the Uk at one point in the future.
I have read your threads Anne, so I know what you mean and where you are coming from. I assume you are a good person, so am I ,despite the handicap of being female and english :wink: .
love light and peace x lily

[bibbi]

Hi Lily! :D
I have met a lot of people from England and they are wonderful people.
YOU TOO! :D
I'm sure that Dirk will return to the UK and will be lucky to hopefully meet such a great fan as yourself and the other people from the UK here.
I'm glad you understood that I didn't mean the English in general, just the actions of Jade, Danielle and Cleo. Those three don' t represent the true character of the British, I'm pleased to say..
I plan on coming to Europe for my 50th birthday which is in 2 yrs and I hope that I can meet some of the UK fans from the DBC site.
You are all wonderful! :D
And I don't mean to leave anyone else out from the other countries here! :wink:

take care,
Anne :)

[Lily]

Hi Lily! :D
I have met a lot of people from England and they are wonderful people.
YOU TOO! :D
I'm sure that Dirk will return to the UK and will be lucky to hopefully meet such a great fan as yourself and the other people from the UK here.
I'm glad you understood that I didn't mean the English in general, just the actions of Jade, Danielle and Cleo. Those three don' t represent the true character of the British, I'm pleased to say..
I plan on coming to Europe for my 50th birthday which is in 2 yrs and I hope that I can meet some of the UK fans from the DBC site.
You are all wonderful! :D
And I don't mean to leave anyone else out from the other countries here! :wink:

take care,
Anne :)
The reason I did answer it is that it is/was afear going thru the forums as the series progressed.
Ok then when you come I'll be the one jumping up and down trying to get your attention!
love light and peace. Lily x

[bibbi]

Hi Lily! :D
THANK YOU! :D
I really liked your response. :lol:
I sincerely hope that you get to meet Dirk soon!
It would be lovely to meet you! :D
Keep in touch!

take care,
Anne :)

[dbukfan]

G' Morning Anne, Lily & All DBC fans

How r Uall?...hope all r well.
May I just quickly to put my point acrossed to U....my honest opinion, I think, Dirk's curling back to his comfort zone in Montana where he belongs......& the CBB thing...he's just do it to pls his 2 teenage kids (who r meaning well to their beloved Dad & just being hopeful that his Dad'll find a right woman he's looking for..but sadly not mean to be)....Cest le'vie!!
Secondly, racial bullies fr 4 baddies...it didn't help Dirk either....I think he prob. never experienced nor encountered before..(so did lots of people out there)....but gradually he'll prob. overcome & gradually letting go of all CBB thing....
Thirdly, If U guys watched his interview at Chelsea/Blackburns match in Jan'07....U'd notice that when the man asking about CBB....he looked a bit awkward & uncomfortable...and cleverly reply to him,...'Just memory '...hinting that can V all discuss only football, pls!!
Forthly, I've listened to him in JJ's interview...& have noted that Dirk felt in UK, he has to be v v careful what he said....as his intellectual brain, deep thinker and truth outspoken nature...can sometimes upset or crossed few people unintentionally...(I think he learnt it fr CBB)...he said,'People in the CBB house didn't even got his jokes...& he felt screwed.'....he also mentioned that,' he thinks UK's a 30 or 50 yrs behind USA for freedom of speech or kinda like that'... perhaps that saying means, it'd def. not be a good idea for him to be back in the UK too soon....sorry, guys...pls do not be defended by this.
In his 1st book, if Uguys remembered, he did upset the Dr, who came to examine him.....when he's very ill during Chopper One's shooting...the Dr even said to him one time, 'Don't U get smart with me, hollywood actor!!'..because he queried him with his wisdom.
My main opinion is, I think because he didn't have much chances to mingle with normal British people....& wasted a lot of his time in CBB...also I think British media can be harsh and can behaved like stalker..never let things dropped...can drive U insane at times by going on & on (only to sell & making money).....I think that's why, our smart Dirk, carefully thought about this issue...and the best thing is to letting go...not getting involved too soon.... this kinda stress he doesn't need.
Honestly, I am certainly sure that he is def. aware of how popular he is in the UK,...judging by his book sales rocketing up!!
Pls be patient, I'm pretty sure that our Dirk'll be back in the UK one day, when he's ready.....but don't know when.
Pls, do remember one thing, 'PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE.'

Have a nice day.


dbukfan...x

**** Life without KIDS is like Camera without Film ****.........Yes, Dirk..U re Legend!!

[bibbi]

Hi dbukfan! :D
I do understand some of the points that you made.
I think you meant don't be offended by this, instead of defended.
I just read that remark by Dirk to the Dr. in Confessions.
And no Dirk hasn't met the right woman... yet.....I'm sure he will! :wink:
NONE of the remarks Dirk made were intentionally racist nor meant to be racist.
Racism is hatred and also ignorance.
That's how Jade acted and Danielle and also Cleo(her inaction was just as bad). And I am not saying everyone in Britain is like that.
I think the British are a lovely and warm people in general.
I think what really fed the frenzy were the tabloids in the UK.
We have the same type of tabloids in North America. Who are only looking out for making big bucks.
Dirk will come back to the UK, once the events of BB have died down.
It's only March!...
He probably wants to spend some time with his sons.
Dirk is a very private/reclusive person and the events in BB genuinely shook him up.
I too am very private/reclusive and being in BB would shake me up!
That's my opinion anyway.
And I agree that his book sales have risen! :D

take care,
Anne :)

[ostarella]

I'm may be off base here, but I'm thinking he signed on for MK before CBB, and now, after that "experience", just wants to stay home with his family and friends instead of traveling *anywhere* again. I mean, he was gone for what - almost six weeks, total? I really don't think he holds any ill-will or even unease about GB or its people because of CBB - he's not dumb, right? :lol:

[Lily]

Hello dbukfan, got what you said , as long as you know my response is that, if I had been in that media racket, i too would have taken the major share in blankets and hid under them too! I have mentioned as such in my previous posts.
The reason comments have been made is as you know the uk has not the best image now , Eurovision song contest is coming up, and it'll be politics all over again ( and maybe our entry is poor i dunno)
Phschologically it can be said that we are desperate to want Shilpa Dirk and Jers to come back, to be patted on the head, and told, 'well you are ok really'.,well i could be right!
No matter how much we want we can't oppose free wiil.
The comments Dirk has said in his JJ interview are to me knowledgable, for hes stood back and learned about issues. And because i listened I knew that he wasn't anti english as he was accused of ( on the show)because i wouldn't have joined this forum and i wouldn't be boring the pants off you readers with my posts if I thought he was.
His other problem (i'm guessing) as I have found to my cost that people only listen what they want to hear ,no one listens completley open minded, I myself get cut across in my speech, the benefit is I know more, problem is nobody' knows' me,' and I am not a great conversationlist because of that. ( Hence all the posts i get a 'word ' in edgeways)
However I know I have picked up on things that others missed and been able to help.
Won't mention the media as I distrust British Tabloids, ( which I think the first tabloid was the Daily star catching Jack the Rippers 'activities' and is stil going)

Finished now going back to real life.

Hi Anne, and see the rest ot you soon.

Love Light and Peace xx Lily

[bibbi]

Hi ostarella! :D

ostarella wrote:

I'm may be off base here, but I'm thinking he signed on for MK before CBB, and now, after that "experience", just wants to stay home with his family and friends instead of traveling *anywhere* again. I mean, he was gone for what - almost six weeks, total? I really don't think he holds any ill-will or even unease about GB or its people because of CBB - he's not dumb, right?

EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT point!
I couldn't agree more!.
Dirk is a very bright and perceptive man.
Thou art wise! :D
Why didn't I think of that! :wink:

take care,
Anne :)

p.s. If you're ever in Canada. Drop by for a visit! :D

[ostarella]

I've got cousins in Canada that I've been trying to get together with for years - so who knows? I may show up at your doorstep one day - then you'll wish you'd stayed quiet :mrgreen:

[dbukfan]

Hi Anne, Lily & Ostarella

Thnk U all sharing yr view acrossed, v interesting...perhaps V all should go on question time programme on BBC sometime...to grill all of politicians that on it...that'd be fun!!

Anne, thnk for yr comment too.

Lily....I do agree with U that Dirk's not anti-uk or anything like that...the guy just needs a break with love ones..that's all....nothing else.

Have a nice evening all.


dbukfan....x

[moviemogul]

Thanks DBUKFAN, I have taken phone number and I am adding to my in file and hopefully one of my contacts will be sucessful.
Hi Anne, Lily :wink: Ostarella, DBUK and everyone else on line at the moment. I have just thought of another reason why Dirk mighnt be coming to MK, I am thinking he may be taking some alone time, as he was away for such along time and that he could be writing again, and maybe about his experiences or something of that nature, possibly even an autobiography, what do you all think?

[Lily]

Hello dbukfan :wink: , Thanks for your post I needed to write it thats all ,as I mentioned to Anne it got really heavy on the BB forums and you cannot at times have a decent 'discussion'. As nobody reads nor listens. :cry: (plus i forgot to use my smileys which would have lightened the rant xx
MM I would personally love to see more wriiten work, Dirk has a chatty style, thats easy to read, and easy to learn from, and bingo a sense of humour and doesn't miss a trick methinks, so for me, a book would be welcome whenever, the muse strikes.

[dbukfan]

Hi all Buddies

So nice to have some response fr U guys.....now I can get off line and spend time with my real life, me time with hubby....as he's getting fed up with me for spending too much time on DBC site....other word..too obsessive!!.but I do enjoy it though, really...girly chatting...kinda relaxing me...& I don't think men can't understand us sometime...huuuurrh...that's why...Man's fr MARS & us fr VENUS...which's lot cooler, eh!!...Don't U agree?

Finger cross for Moviemogu for CofKC's book.....I mean it..pls do let me know when U got it....it's too good to be missed...still slightly hope for 2nd book...amazon sold for few hundred boxes...phew!!!..no kidding...DIRK, if U read this...PLS, re-release 2nd book v v soon...I'm begging U.

Also remember his interviewed that he'd love to wrtie another book when he's finished with Hollywood completely...which at the moment...I don't think he does...just have to wait and see.

Wouldn't be nice for him to come over here again sometime on ITV, 'Audience with DB'.

Must go....can hear him fliggering his thumb with heavy breathing for last cup of tea!!

Sweet Dream & Good Night...

(PS...forgot to tell U guys that I'd actually been dreaming of DB on Valentine's day though...shhhh!!)

Take care


dbukfan..x

**** LIFE without KiDs is like CAMERA without FILM ****...Yes, Dirk...totally agree....

[Arciris]

Hello to all!
I wanted to write in this post many days ago.
I want say, in first time, I like very much all posts, respect plenty, common sense and of true feelings.
I agree with us that racism is a ignorance form, because all people know that in the world there is good and bad people, and it doesn't depends of birthplace. I think that it depends of the character and life that has been had.
Shilpa, for example, I think she has a beatiful character, affectionate and, as Dirk said, adaptable. About Dirk, all people of this forum tihink more or less the same, we already know it :D.
There are things that are seen very quickly in a person, like the glance, if one is calm or nervous, if if one is interested in the things of the others or makes see that yes but it gives him equal..etc..etc..
I saw in videos of CBB that the people who were thus, in the house, were specially, Germaine, Dirk and Shilpa. Perhaps Cleo a little, in the begin, but not later. And others of which I don't remember the name now. Ohh, yesss, Carole!
However, I think that Jo, Danielle and Jade "didn't know to be" in the house, without ethics, education and respect in many situations.
If they are racist? Well, I don't feel enabled to answer this question with yes or no, but what if I see it is that they were not able to put itself in the place of the other person and to understand customs and forms to act of the rest. However however they wanted that the rest understood its things.
They complained that Dirk changed much of character in a matter of hours, but it's not strange to me, why most of times it was by consequence of which said to him or did. I understood there to Dirk inside.
Surely, Jo, Jade, Danielle, Jack..they must have more problems with another people outside the house, in the real life about this subject. I think.
Everybody has problems with somebody sometimes why all we have characters that perhaps hit, but there is people who have more shocks of the normal ones and here is the suspect.
Nobody can choose the birthplace. Consequently, we must try to be well with all we are from where we are. Often, it's difficult..but it's possible if we put of our part and the other of hers.
I learned many things seeing the summaries of the house, for that reason I like much the Big Brother model. And, with Dirk, far better :lol: .
Sorry I feel it by post so long.
Kisses to all!!

[Sharma]

......& the CBB thing...he's just do it to pls his 2 teenage kids (who r meaning well to their beloved Dad & just being hopeful that his Dad'll find a right woman he's looking for..I

I'd like to offer my speculation as to why he agreed to CBB, aside from his retort along the lines of "my son's made me do it".

I think that as CBB is the sort of thing DB would normally run a mile from perhaps he thought it would be a good test for him and a learning experience. He does say that we grow the most during adversity and what could DB find more adverse than the behaviour of the 3 witches (with a capital "B") and being under constant watch, away from the solitude he prefers?

Of course I could be way off the mark here, far be it from me to presume what anyone else thinks.

[Kami]

Hi everyone.

I don't think he's been turned off Britain, but it must be a hell of a long way from his house to MK (I can't even think how long that would take :shock: ), so maybe he's just had enough travelling for now. Also his CBB fee will keep him in rice and beans for a good while. :)

I hope he's happy and well and hope that he will come back here when the time is right - but mainly I hope he's working on the next book! :D

[deebeelicious]

......& the CBB thing...he's just do it to pls his 2 teenage kids (who r meaning well to their beloved Dad & just being hopeful that his Dad'll find a right woman he's looking for..I

I'd like to offer my speculation as to why he agreed to CBB, aside from his retort along the lines of "my son's made me do it".

Dear All
My tuppence worth :)
I thought Dirk did it to cover the college fees for his kids? LOL! (His kids seem so brainy - they might end up taking 10 years in school as medics - wait - ha! ha! - only kidding - I don't think Dirk would be that impressed with such a choice coz he's got his own medicine cabinet - his kitchen cabinet right!) Btw, all the best to DB's kids, and I'm impressed you got your Dad out of the cabin - I just fear it'll take another 5 years for him to come out again! LOL

On a tenuously related matter, there's been previous discussion here about CBB1 where Jack Dee was the winner. I liked that BB v much - it was done for 'charity' and apparently all profits went to charity, so none of the particpants got a fee either. I don't begrudge the participants in BB or CBB from being paid - it is a big sacrifice and effort for them, and the media intrusion afterwards is awful.

I definitely got the vibe this time round that Endemol (the production company) were milking the controversy for all its 'worth'. I read recently that the owner of Endemol is now a multimillionnaire just on the strength of all the BBs, well if that's his personal worth, how much does the production company make, eh? There's been plenty of comments here of so many of DB's comments not making it onto the show from the live streaming, and various claims by the CBB5 girls of malicious editing, that I'm now convinced that BB is rigged by the production company (soley to make as much money for the company, which they do only when there is a controversy). I won't be watching BB this summer - am sick of it (and with it). I still find the premise of BB very interesting - we all 'see' the same 'scene' but our interpretations are completely different based on our own minds (past experiences, mental outlook, etc) - that's the talking point of the premise. It's nice to hang out on a site with people who have a similar outlook to me (ie thought DB outshone everyone else coz of his charm, wit, intelligence, humour, .... oh I have to stop!)

Re: Shilpa - I'm sure I left a previous msg about Shilpa's love for an Indian director, so both DIrk & Shilpa knew they could flirt outrageously without it meaning anything, so I don't think this 'Dirk & Shilpa' thing is likely - but hey, what do I know? - if they like each other great - how many BB relationships (and babies) have their been now in the franchise? ROFL Anyhow, I mention Shilpa coz for UK digital viewers, there's a Sky1 bio of her at 8 pm tonight (not sure if it is a 'nasty' or 'nice' one, probably 'nice' as apparently her friends rather than enemies are being interviewed). Also, Shilpa's become the new 'face' of M&S (that's a UK department store, I guess perhaps like 'Sears' in USA - plz correct me if you think me wrong on that), so for her, CBB5 was a success. I must say that I am impressed that she wasn't vindictive to the girls afterwards, and refused to 'bring charges' against the girls, so that prosecution for racism was effectively neutralised. I'm sure if it had been the other way round, those girls would have done all they could to hurt her coz their minds are so 'small'!

With regards to DB returning to the UK, I humbly suggest he leaves it until after the next (non celebrity) version of BB is shown this summer. The media will hopefully have moved on to feeding off the latest show's participants' lives for their twisted media kicks (build 'em up, knock 'em down, build 'em up again, etc), and previous participants will move down their 'pecking' (or is that 'stalking') order of interest.

OK, my feet are cold from standing on my soapbox.
Regards all
DeeBeeLicious

[Lily]

Good post Deebee, now can i have MY soapbox back? :D
I agree about leaving it until August thats when it will have finished, i too(sadly) will be watching it,its werid how a programme can change and make a contrbution.
Luckily I haven't taken much notice if there has been any remaining hoohaa .okay
Love light and peace Lily xx

[scotslass34]

If the racist stuff didn't happen on CBB Dirk would have walked it! I am from Scotland and spent a small fortune on voting for Dirk to win and I know it,and he knows it(and I wouldn't be surprised if he never showed his face in the UK again,cos if I was Dirk I wouldn't) he would have won if not for Jade,Jo and Co!!.., as far as I am concerned DIRK was the ONLY celebrity in that house this year facts are facts no matter what the racist views are., lets get real people.

:P

[bibbi]

Hi everyone! :D
I think that Dirk will return to the UK. I'm sure of it.
I also think that he handled himself very well and I don't think that he was disturbed by what happened in BigBrother.
I have been watching a lot of stuff about BB at YouTube and a lot of missing footage was shown.
He is definitely enjoying some down time with his family and friends.
Being a very private person, what Dirk did took a lot of guts.
Dirk is a very smart man and also has a lot of integrity.
HE SHALL RETURN

take care,
Anne :)

[Lily]

cheers Anne that is a sweet reply.
On the BB threads you wouldn't be surprised to know that forum members are still saying how they miss Dirk, I read a few yesterday.
Strange how someone can make such a impact, I reckon it was underestimated by quite a few how others (okay mostly females) would react.
Personally I didn't know about this forum, and to join it, and been made to feel welcome.

PS I love Canada, I have visited twice.
And I aim to go again, in a few years time.

Love light and peace Lily xx

[starlight]

I think Dirk will return to the UK but it's all about timing and finding that right project.
I too have read about the females of the BB forum missing him. I think the DBC forum misses him too. But I know whatever he does next, everyone will be there :)

[deebeelicious]

I really am UNimpressed with Endemol.
Thank goodness the general UK taxpayer is NOT paying for their police investigations! Still it is the general public voting that is keeping Endemol in profit. Hopefully bit less profit now, from this news clip!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/6605151.stm

xx

[Genny]

i agree that Dirk would have won CBB, if not for the antics of Jade etc. I'm so fed up, of seeing numpties, on TV and magazine covers, who have no talent whatsoever. I never watch, Big Brother but watched some of the first, series. I'd rather watch paint, drying. Also..how if Dirk hadn't been in the middle of such a fracas..he probably would have felt more relaxed, so goodness knows how much more great Dirkiness we missed..because he didn't get the chance !

[bibbi]

Hi everyone! :D
As I've mentioned beforehand, Dirk showed nothing but dignity, respect, wit and charm throughout his whole stay in CBB. And lots of courage too! :D
He behaved like a gentleman with Shilpa and handled Cleo :twisted: beautifully!
Nuff said.

Take care,
Anne :)

[deebeelicious]

I wasn't sure if you'd be interested in this story or not. I suppose if you're not interested in CBB stuff, perhaps you shouldn't be in this section? Anyway, seeing as others had written about Gere & Shilpa, I thought you might be interested to see that Shilpa & Danielle Lloyd have made it up after CBB5 row, with a nice piccie of the 2 of them looking stunning at a Bollywood film premiere in Leicester Sq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6637861.stm

xx

[Sharma]

I thought you might be interested to see that Shilpa & Danielle Lloyd have made it up after CBB5 row, with a nice piccie of the 2 of them

But then there was the pictures of Danielle i the papers a few days ago showing hr with a cut/lacerated leg coming out of a night club after a catfight over her footballler boyfriend.

I don't know if it's me being a seasond cynic, but was her choice in new footballer boyfriend (the replacement for Teddy) black for the sake of PR ? Surely not !

[Genny]

Apparently, she recently had some replacement,bigger boobs put in, but had to have them out again, due to a painful lump, not malignant. She's only 23. I think that's sad...to alter one's face or body unless something is really, wrong. :shock:

[bibbi]

Hi everyone! :D
I've read what everyone has had to say and there are some very good comments from everyone here. I still feel that Dirk handled himself very, very well during his stay in Big Brother. He was charming, respectful, witty and handled himself with dignity. My respect and admiration for the man grows stronger every day. We need more people like Dirk in the world. Men who are respectful, lack big egos, especially being a famous TV/movie star and have a genuine warmth and respect for their fans, and people in general.

Take care,
Anne :)

[deebeelicious]

I thought you might be interested to see that Shilpa & Danielle Lloyd have made it up after CBB5 row, with a nice piccie of the 2 of them

But then there was the pictures of Danielle i the papers a few days ago showing hr with a cut/lacerated leg coming out of a night club after a catfight over her footballler boyfriend.

I don't know if it's me being a seasond cynic, but was her choice in new footballer boyfriend (the replacement for Teddy) black for the sake of PR ? Surely not !

I think a little seasoning in your cynicism is always useful! :wink:

Didn't know about that catfight/race of new bf - I don't read the tabloids at all - there's whole swathes of UK gossip that I'm just not aware of (and frankly glad of that!). I don't believe Danielle is particularly racist too, thoughtless and stupid yes. What is it about footballers with her - is it their £? LOL
I feel sorry for her because I don't think this is going to be a ltr and she is being used as a 'status' symbol? 'Suppose it's the other way round too! Oh well, 'nuff of DL I think!

Bw

[bibbi]

Hi everyone! :D
Hi deebee! :D
I just read your last post. I agree with your assessment.
Again, I feel that Dirk handled himself really well in Big Brother, none of his remarks were racist. Don't get me started about Jade Goody and Cleo :twisted:, Danielle was pathetic! :x, being ignorant is almost or just as bad as being racist. I was very surprised to see those girls(they are too immature to be called women) as celebrities. They certainly weren't in my book. Dirk handled himself with grace and dignity throughout, as did Shilpa and Jermaine Jackson. That's my honest opinion.

Take care,
Anne :)

[Lily]

Big Brother rapped over race row.
Media regulator Ofcom has ruled that CBB breached its code of conduct over the race row which dogged the series in January.
The watchdog found that C4 made "serious editorial misjudgements" in its handling of the incidents involving Shilpa Shetty.

Channel 4 has been ordered to broadcast a summary of Ofcom's findings at the start of the series eight next week ( 30th May )
The channel has apologised and said it accepted Ofcoms ruling.
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And a liittle bit of gossip is still rumbling that its been confirmed that two contestants were told of the row where previously it has been denied....

Sorry for posting this and I can't believe its still going on but there you are ....

[Lily]

You can also put in Ofcom and read the summary if interested...

[Lily]

Apparently Australian BB has plumbed new depths by not informing a female contestant that her estranged father has died. ( it was heeding the requsts as far as i know from the family)

Geees Contender series 7 anyone???

[Lily]

I don't know if you can mention other forums but on Digital Spy ( go to Big Brother) there is a released transcipt of that argument and two warnings. Now I really promise to leave this alone.... ok kisses

[deebeelicious]

I don't know if you can mention other forums but on Digital Spy ( go to Big Brother) there is a released transcipt of that argument and two warnings. Now I really promise to leave this alone.... ok kisses

Its on the BBC news website too! :roll:

[bibbi]

Hi everyone! :D

I have been reading what everyone has been saying. It's amazing to see all the different responses. Quite the discussion here!

Take care,
Anne :)

[Genny]

Carole Malone did another rubbish piece in one of the Sunday newspapers today..Had a dig at Shilpa and also said again how the nasty bunch ( my words not hers) had .....suffered.. :shock: She didn't mention Dirk again though. ..thank goodness. She really is I think a very silly, woman. As for Channel 4..what next ? Whatever it is..I, won't be watching ! Dirk was the only reason I watched CBB. His, conduct :D 8) showed up just how ghastly the programme is as was the behaviour of so many who took part this time. Dirk was fantastic.

[bibbi]

Hi everyone! :D

I agree with what Genny said. Dirk was fantastic the whole time when he was on CBB. He made the show worthwhile. Like I have said before. Dirk was THE WINNER of CBB in my mind.

Take care,
Anne :)

[Lily]

Just a note to say that reported on ceefax today the bbc teletext service that Cbb6 has been axed for Jan 2008 It is increasingly difficult to get celebritys to appear on the show, and a decision will be made for 2009. it has also been reported that the race row has not left them alone this year, and it still rumbles on.

th th th thats all folks...

[Crazy Tommy T]

Paying people enough to do it is the real problem i imagine. :D

Well, there's still 'I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of here' to look forward to in November. Which, for those who don't know, is a reality show where they stick ten celebs into the Australian jungle for 3 weeks and make them do all kinds of jungle themed tasks. The public then vote them out 1 by 1 until the winner is crowned King or Queen of the Jungle. Dirk would be good at that too I imagine. 8)

[Lily]

Yes didn't we have 'Huggy Bear' on the last one? ( i never watched it tho)

Have you seen SFX by the way? sept edition?

[Crazy Tommy T]

No why, what's in it?

[deebeelicious]

Paying people enough to do it is the real problem i imagine. :D

Well, there's still 'I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of here' to look forward to in November. Which, for those who don't know, is a reality show where they stick ten celebs into the Australian jungle for 3 weeks and make them do all kinds of jungle themed tasks. The public then vote them out 1 by 1 until the winner is crowned King or Queen of the Jungle. Dirk would be good at that too I imagine. 8)

Yes, CBB is much more expensive than ordinary BB, especially now they've started paying the Celebs. Plus, I reckon C4 were really p*ssed at Endemol for being fined by the tv regulators!

The first couple of CBB were so good coz they were doing it for 'charity'. Btw, I'm not criticising or begrudging Dirk for being paid - if all the others were being paid, then he should be as well ... just that the vibe of it changed once the zelebs started to be paid! :cry: (err ... course Dirk isn't a zeleb! :P )

[ostarella]

The first couple of CBB were so good coz they were doing it for 'charity'.

I thought the celebs had charities they were 'representing' also, even if they were also paid.

[Crazy Tommy T]

The first couple of UK Celebrity Big Brothers took place during comic relief week, so it was all for charity and only lasted 8 days. The celebs did it for free. Ater that they made it into a proper TV show that lasted a month once a year and wasn't for charity.

[deebeelicious]

The first couple of CBB were so good coz they were doing it for 'charity'.

I thought the celebs had charities they were 'representing' also, even if they were also paid.

Anyone is free to give away their 'fee' to charity - it's just I don't recall any of the HMs saying they were donating any of theirs away. Course I could be wrong on that? :?

[ostarella]

No, I just thought I'd read that somewhere, that each celeb had a charity that would receive a portion of the call in money or whatever - but yesterday I dated a check for Aug 29, 2003, so don't go by my memory :oops: :roll:

[deebeelicious]

No, I just thought I'd read that somewhere, that each celeb had a charity that would receive a portion of the call in money or whatever - but yesterday I dated a check for Aug 29, 2003, so don't go by my memory :oops: :roll:

He, he!
Yes that would have been for the first 2 CBBs which were done for charity. After that, Endemol saw how popular they were and wanted all the phone-in profits for themselves! :x

[Lily]

No why, what's in it?

Sorry for late reply Holidays :roll: No it was request made by ukfans about the last series of BSG and the second top request was Dirk to return to BSG, to quote that was said... that he has his principles, but if he can wait on Jade Goodys mum then he could appear on something as well produced as this... that he wasn't to play Starbucks dad ( too cheesy they said) but be the final cylon ( no 1 request was just simply a decent conclusion)

Oh and Cbb racism is still rumbling on supposed to be unsavoury footage not released or something....

[Crazy Tommy T]

Jade hits the headlines again:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=543389&in_page_id=1773

[ostarella]

Poor misunderstand lass. Always the victim...:rolleyes:

[Crazy Tommy T]

Jade Goody is appearing on the Indian Big Brother:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/aug/14/bigbrother.television?gusrc=rss&feed=media

[Tracy]

Jade Goody is appearing on the Indian Big Brother:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/aug/14/bigbrother.television?gusrc=rss&feed=media

Oh Lord.
No words.:rolleyes:

[Dawg]

Everybody loves a train wreck.

;)

I am
Dawg

[deebeelicious]

Shilpa Shetty is going to be hosting Indian's Big Boss (ie the Davina role), so I can't wait for the post-eviction interview - her & Jade - I'm sure we won't have to wait long! ;) :))

Funniest thing I read on other forum was someone saying, 'It's true! This is Jade's claim to fame' ! :cool: :)):)) :p:p

[Billy]

okay - if Jade goes in - all I can say is "That girl will never learn!" and it just proves how thick she really is.

[bibbi]

One comment.

"eek!" :eek:

[deebeelicious]

Oh you'll never believe this one! :rolleyes:
The short story - Jade has left Big Boss and is returning to the UK.

Long Story
Jade had been rushed into hospital a few weeks back because of being very unwell. So I was quite surprised to see her jetting off to BB India so soon afterwards, as apparently the doctors weren't sure what was wrong with her and were testing her for all sorts.

So, she enters BB, and then her publicist and then her consultant (note the order!) speak to her privately in the Diary Room. Apparently she has (early stage) cervical cancer. So now she's leaving and returning back to the UK for treatment.

It is awful news, and I wouldn't want to wish that on anyone. However, I've got to say she must have known that this was a possibility before accepting the gig. I bet her & the publicist had a very careful look at her contract to see that she'd still get paid the £100k if she had to leave because of ill-health! :rolleyes: Others on a different forum have suggested that she may have been doing what a lot of people do, and convinced herself that the test results would be fine and not consider the possibility of the big C. Well I suppose it's possible!

[deebeelicious]

Shilpa' such a lady, and so pretty - far too good for Goody! :cool: ;)
http://bollywoodbuzz.in/photo-shoots-shilpa-shetty-for-cosmopolitan-magazine/
http://actress-allwoods.blogspot.com/2008/06/shilpa-shetty-cosmopolitan-shoot-pics.html
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/bigbrotherintl/a124946/shetty-offers-friendship-to-ill-goody.html

Hey Dirk - she's in town this weekend! :D May be you could get her number off Jade! :p

(ooh! I said that out loud, didn't I!:oops::confused:)